d20 CoC monsters by chaosium?

[Professor Phobos]

I used to defend Chaosium, but I'd say I'd agree. D20 Cthulhu was deeply flawed but also quite good and it deserved support.

Dual-statting the *excellent* Lovecraft Country books was all well and good, but they did not...

Dual Stat Dark Ages Cthulhu. The hell?

Dual Stat HP Lovecraft's Dreamlands. THE HELL? There was little point in reprinting the old Dreamlands book and changing the name (To fit an already established series set of titles, all dual statted) if you are not going to dual-stat it. In addition to that, the Dreamlands are a crazy fantasy setting that would not only be accessible to fantasy-friendly D20 folks but also be compelling and different from other fantasy settings. I can't fathom why HPL's Dreamlands wasn't dual statted.

Pulp Cthulhu would have sold to BRP and D20 fans, but it died.

Now, Chaosium has no money. This is a truth, and it takes them forever to make books. That I can live with. I can wait for quality, as they tend to produce that consistantly. But part of the reason they have no money is that they've mismanaged themselves out of an entire market when they had a perfectly strong vehicle (D20 Cthulhu) for entering it.

BRP Cthulhu is amongst the greatest RPGs ever made. To some, it is the epitomy of game design. But it is old, showing its age, and Chaosium occupies merely a niche.

In the same way, misamanagement of Cthulhu helped kill Pagan Publishing, which did nothing but produce awe-inspiringly good books that did nothing but make people want to play Call of Cthulhu.

Oh well. Dark Ages Cthulhu was actually very good, and I'm eagerly awaiting the Shadows of Yog-Sothoth reprint and, of course, Undying Mars.

Hell, the Creature Companion could have been dual statted. No fuss, no muss. It's a monster book. You people LOVE monster books!

 

[Voadam]

Dual Stat HP Lovecraft's Dreamlands. THE HELL? There was little point in reprinting the old Dreamlands book and changing the name (To fit an already established series set of titles, all dual statted) if you are not going to dual-stat it. In addition to that, the Dreamlands are a crazy fantasy setting that would not only be accessible to fantasy-friendly D20 folks but also be compelling and different from other fantasy settings. I can't fathom why HPL's Dreamlands wasn't dual statted.


BRP Cthulhu is amongst the greatest RPGs ever made. To some, it is the epitomy of game design. But it is old, showing its age, and Chaosium occupies merely a niche.

In the same way, misamanagement of Cthulhu helped kill Pagan Publishing, which did nothing but produce awe-inspiringly good books that did nothing but make people want to play Call of Cthulhu.

Oh well. Dark Ages Cthulhu was actually very good, and I'm eagerly awaiting the Shadows of Yog-Sothoth reprint and, of course, Undying Mars.

Hell, the Creature Companion could have been dual statted. No fuss, no muss. It's a monster book. You people LOVE monster books!

Yes, I do have a thing for monster books. I own 5th edition CoC but don't play it, I just used it for inspiration in my ravenloft game. Same with Elric! and a bunch of the Pagan publishing ones. I would have loved a d20 stat book of dreamlands. Sigh.

 

[Ranger REG]

I think they're more interested in trying to keep what's left of their original CoC audience, which was rumored to have panicked when they saw CoC d20 on the store shelves.

There is a general fear that one day, every games will be converted to d20, and those minority fringe gamers are left without option.

 

[SilentJay]

I think they're more interested in trying to keep what's left of their original CoC audience, which was rumored to have panicked when they saw CoC d20 on the store shelves.

There's an understatement. A lot of vocal BRP CoC fans dug their own graves for the sole purpose to turn in them.