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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WaterRabbit" data-source="post: 1580938" data-attributes="member: 2445">This seems a little generous to me.  I am not an expert here by any means, but I believe that the spread of a shotgun is more like 1” / yard.  If you are going to affect two 5’x5’ squares I would think that you need at least a 5’ spread (or 60”).At 1” / yard that means you get a 60” spread at 60 yards or 180 feet.  The range increment of shotguns in d20 modern is listed at either 30’ or 40’.  For a 30’ range shotgun you don’t get a 5’ spread until the 6th range increment; for a 40’ range shotgun you get the 5’ spread until the 5th increment.To affect a 5’x15’ area I would think that you would need at least a 10’ spread.  A 10’ spread would not happen until 120 yards or 360 feet.  You could only get that with a shotgun that has a 40’ range increment, and then only in the 9th increment.With spread like these I would think that you should reduce the damage by half for a 5’x10’ area or by one third for a 5’x15’ area.Also, for Fallout remember that Perception is added to the range of weapons according to the formula:    Combined Range (in meters) = (2 * PE)-1 + weapon rangeAnd for every meter greater than the combined range subtract 3% from the attack roll.  Shotguns in Fallout have a base range of 7-15 meters, depending upon the gun.  For the Winchester Combat Shotgun, the base range is 22 meters; for the H&K CWS the base range is 30 meters; and for the Pancor “Jackhammer” the base range is 35 meters.Breakdaddy, I assume you have access to the Fallout Pen and Paper rules ?  They sum up the mechanics of the three computer games very well.  The rules for burst and double shot weapons are considerably different than d20 and I think they did a better job of representing them.Interestingly enough, they used the d20 formula for gaining experience long before d20 came out.  I have often thought that the designers of d20 were influenced by many features of Fallout.</blockquote>

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