[d20 Modern] National Crisis

[Raptor]

FYI

"The UK's Subs would be well into the Atlantic by this time, the French Aircraft Carriers would be crawling the Atlantic and Med Sea."
Just so you know the French only have 1 aircraft carrier (CHarles de Gaulle) in service.

 

[Sixchan]

Re: FYI

"The UK's Subs would be well into the Atlantic by this time, the French Aircraft Carriers would be crawling the Atlantic and Med Sea."
Just so you know the French only have 1 aircraft carrier (CHarles de Gaulle) in service.

I was going for effect to illustrate a point. But I did think they had more than 1.

 

[Raptor]

French aircraft carriers

http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/europe/france.htm
Nope only the one now.

 

[Sixchan]

Aircraft carriers aside, my point was that all the other counries would already be armed, carriers or no.

 

[DM_Matt]

You never know. There are Islamic Democrats. We could speculate that a dictator unites the Islamic world, and is assasinatd by Democrats who them sieze the government.

You couldn't have the reerse happen overtly in America, but its quite possible covertly...

Thats virtually impossible. They glue that ties the islamic world together, and that always has, is their belief in racial/religious superiority (during the Cold War some Marxism crept in, too). Pan-Arabism and Islamism have always been close cousins to Nazism. There are many powerful internal divisions within the Islamic world and virtually no democracy. There is no ideological precedent or even concievable strategy for a Pan Islamic Allience to be based on anything but hate.

 

[Sixchan]

Even if the glue that ties the Islamic World together is belief in racial and religious superiority (although I don't believe that's true), that's no reason to say that it couldn't be an evil Democratic Society. There is precedence for Democracy in the Islamic world, e.g. Pakistan and Egypt and Turkey.

There was a time when there was no ideological precedent for democracy or communism.

Just because there's no precedent doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Given that this world is one where someone has detonated a nuclear weapon in New York, who's to say that America hasn't had dome influence in the downfall of a dictator in the Middle East?

 

[Ravellion]

Re: Re: [d20 Modern] National Crisis

And also, Israel would have its small arsenal ready, and I can't imagine the US trying to stop Isreal from Defending itself, since it is the next logical target.

You can forget about Israel having a small arsenal. From what I have heard, it is the third nuclear power in the world.

I don't want to do a websearch and back that up though. Not on this subject from my home IP.

Rav

 

[Sixchan]

Small or not, it's a nuclear arsenal. But 3rd? Are you *sure*?

 

[Raptor]

They are a nuclear power but 3rd is kind of hard to believe without proof.

 

[DM_Matt]

Small or not, it's a nuclear arsenal. But 3rd? Are you *sure*?

LIttle is known about its size. The estimate that I last read was between 200 and 300. It is definately conceivable that they could produce such large numbers. Like India and Pakistan (but not like Iraq and North Korea, who signed and cheated), Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) and has had functioning nuclear reactors for three to four decades. Because IAEA monitoring is part of the NNPT, there are no limits on their ability to use their reactors for producing nuclear weapons. They also are thought to have cooperated with the South African nuclear weapons program in the past, possibly gaining some of the nuclear raw materials in which South Africa is rich.

HOWEVER, the 200-300 number is based on hypothetical target lists and lots of assumptions regarding reliability and reasonable redundancy. In other words, the manner in which the size of their arsenal is measured (at least by the U.S.) is based on how many nukes they think Israel would want and the assumption that they in fact have that many.

One of the reasons why determining the size and nature of their arsenal is so difficult is that they are (with the exception of North Korea, which, according to a defecting scientist, has two to five nuclear weapons) the only undeclared nuclear weapons state. That means that they do not acknowledge their arsenal publicly, for various reasons, but primarily becuase their are certain laws on the books in the United States which trigger automatic restrictions on trade, technology transfers, and foreign aid to nations that acquire nuclear weapons and are not considered legitimate Nuclear Weapons States under the NNPT.

You can forget about Israel having a small arsenal. From what I have heard, it is the third nuclear power in the world.

I don't want to do a websearch and back that up though. Not on this subject from my home IP.

Rav

What exactly do you tihnk will happen to you if you look up information about national nuclear arsenal sizes on the Internet?