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<blockquote data-quote="humble minion" data-source="post: 8714514" data-attributes="member: 5948"><p>Mangling existing canon is hardly something brand and shiny new that WotC introduced with 5th ed. TSR was contradicting and messing up its own canon for years before WotC even existed. I can name you a dozen times where even the old school IP wildly messed itself up or had messy retcons or arbitrarily contradicted itself in Ravenloft alone. Redesigns and setting changes are as old as the settings themselves, and i'm sure that when I'm playing D&D in my retirement home, I'll be annoyed at some change that the new 7th ed has made to the lore that's brand new to us now.</p><p></p><p>Speaking as a fan of the 'original material', i reckon that all us older fans of the original material pick and choose what bits of the original material they respect and want preserved, and what bits they don't. I mean I really liked old school ravenloft, but there was a whole lot of it that desperately needed an update or which was outdated or which was just plain dumb and misconceived to begin with as well. I don;t think that preserving the old lore in amber is necessary or desirable - even if you could find a single iteration of what the 'old lore' is to preserve. I mean as an example - canonically, in the classic old Ravenloft IP, what is the backstory of Nova Vaasa and Tristian Hiregaard? There's at least four different versions of the story in the 'classic' material, and none of them explain why a bloke whose story revolves entirely around one city is the lord of a huge steppe domain that takes up a third of the Core. It's an utter mess.</p><p></p><p>If it was me in charge of VRGtR i'd have wildly changed the setting and a bunch of other old-schoolers would have hated me for it. Personally, I'd have completely rearranged the Core into a place where cultures and populations and geography etc all made more comprehensible sense, and probably deemphasised the darklord-centrality of the whole thing in favour of a much more grounded gothic 18th-ish century setting with a degree of internal consistency, and I'd have made more of the old 2e conceit of PCs evil actions having mechanical consequences, and of some magics etc being inherently evil and tainting, etc etc. I didn't like 5e Ravenloft very much - not because it changed the old stuff, but because it changed it in the opposite direction to how I would have changed it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="humble minion, post: 8714514, member: 5948"] Mangling existing canon is hardly something brand and shiny new that WotC introduced with 5th ed. TSR was contradicting and messing up its own canon for years before WotC even existed. I can name you a dozen times where even the old school IP wildly messed itself up or had messy retcons or arbitrarily contradicted itself in Ravenloft alone. Redesigns and setting changes are as old as the settings themselves, and i'm sure that when I'm playing D&D in my retirement home, I'll be annoyed at some change that the new 7th ed has made to the lore that's brand new to us now. Speaking as a fan of the 'original material', i reckon that all us older fans of the original material pick and choose what bits of the original material they respect and want preserved, and what bits they don't. I mean I really liked old school ravenloft, but there was a whole lot of it that desperately needed an update or which was outdated or which was just plain dumb and misconceived to begin with as well. I don;t think that preserving the old lore in amber is necessary or desirable - even if you could find a single iteration of what the 'old lore' is to preserve. I mean as an example - canonically, in the classic old Ravenloft IP, what is the backstory of Nova Vaasa and Tristian Hiregaard? There's at least four different versions of the story in the 'classic' material, and none of them explain why a bloke whose story revolves entirely around one city is the lord of a huge steppe domain that takes up a third of the Core. It's an utter mess. If it was me in charge of VRGtR i'd have wildly changed the setting and a bunch of other old-schoolers would have hated me for it. Personally, I'd have completely rearranged the Core into a place where cultures and populations and geography etc all made more comprehensible sense, and probably deemphasised the darklord-centrality of the whole thing in favour of a much more grounded gothic 18th-ish century setting with a degree of internal consistency, and I'd have made more of the old 2e conceit of PCs evil actions having mechanical consequences, and of some magics etc being inherently evil and tainting, etc etc. I didn't like 5e Ravenloft very much - not because it changed the old stuff, but because it changed it in the opposite direction to how I would have changed it. [/QUOTE]
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