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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4947715" data-attributes="member: 11821">I'd say that there's about a 90% chance that the Dray are going to be dragonborn, but as a huge Dark Sun fan myself, I can't for a moment bring myself to care.I am also 100% positive that a new 4e setting will never, ever say, "You may not use Tieflings in this setting."  It won't happen.  What you will almost certainly see happen is something like they did for off-race Dragonmarks in Eberron.  Something like, "There are no known Gnomes in Athas.  They are believed to be extinct from Rajaat's Cleansing Wars.  If one of your players runs a gnome, they may very well be the only one, and it could do way freaky things to the setting, possibly even igniting new Cleansing Wars or at the least earning the enmity of some Sorcerer-Kings."The Primordials are a pretty decent fit for Athas, from everything I've read.  I'm going to wait and see, rather than get my panties in a bunch over speculation.  Primordials could suck in the setting, or they could be a new and interesting way of re-envisioning it.  I'll withhold my judgement until, you know, I can actually see the setting.See above as for the races.  However, IMO what was important for Athas wasn't what races were present - it's how the races were presented.  All of them were existing races with a Dark Sun, post-apocalyptic, twist.  If they do the same to other races, it's a job well done in my book.There's no reason the list of races has to be set in stone.  "No Gnomes" was hardly a major defining feature of Dark Sun, cleansing wars or no cleansing wars.  OTOH, cannibalistic jungle-dwelling halflings, dune-running elves, and bald dwarves were.Heck; TSR expanded the list pretty greatly during the revised setting, too.  Where were the hints of Pterrans or Aarakocra in the original box set?  WotC would not be the first one to add new races to the setting, so what's the issue?  Is it that only TSR had the right to do so, and they're not TSR?Yeah, and it also has no githyanki or anything to do with the Astral Plane!  Ohwait...No easy healing?  The druids in my 2e games would disagree with you!Also, I completely fail to see how any of the above is incompatible with Primordials.  In fact, it kinda fits right in, thematically.-O</blockquote>

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