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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9068997" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Right.&nbsp; You're setting an impossible standard, one that no class could live up to.&nbsp; There are a lot of options out there if you want to play a martial character.&nbsp; Fighters, barbarians, paladins, rangers and arguably rogues.&nbsp; The fact that fighter is at the top speaks to the fact that people like playing fighters even if you do not.That's never going to happen ... a survey that you think is good enough isn't going to happen and likely wouldn't change anything in any case.You have 0 evidence that most people do not agree that the fighter is &quot;terribly designed&quot;.&nbsp; I like the design, fighters in this edition are one of my favorite classes to play.Right. Keep it simple. A lot of people are happy to play fighters when there are many alternatives. Simplest conclusion?&nbsp; Fighters are well designed for their target audience.Nobody is arguing that the fighter is absolutely perfect.&nbsp; There's no such thing.&nbsp; No design is going to be perfect for millions of people.&nbsp; Yet millions of people choose fighters over all the other alternatives.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9068997, member: 6801845"] Right. You're setting an impossible standard, one that no class could live up to. There are a lot of options out there if you want to play a martial character. Fighters, barbarians, paladins, rangers and arguably rogues. The fact that fighter is at the top speaks to the fact that people like playing fighters even if you do not. That's never going to happen ... a survey that you think is good enough isn't going to happen and likely wouldn't change anything in any case. You have 0 evidence that most people do not agree that the fighter is "terribly designed". I like the design, fighters in this edition are one of my favorite classes to play. Right. Keep it simple. A lot of people are happy to play fighters when there are many alternatives. Simplest conclusion? Fighters are well designed for their target audience. Nobody is arguing that the fighter is absolutely perfect. There's no such thing. No design is going to be perfect for millions of people. Yet millions of people choose fighters over all the other alternatives. [/QUOTE]

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