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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9069451" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, here's the point.  You can't play the victim card that you're getting dogpiled for liking the fighter when every single time anyone suggests they change the fighter, you jump in and tell everyone how much you like the fighter the way it is and don't want it changed.  IOW, while I don't generally go into fighter appreciation threads, I do go into the ones where they are suggesting that things be changed for the fighter.  And every... single... time... it's exactly the same.  Couple of pages of productive discussion that is then derailed by very loud shouting down that fighters must never be changed.  Or, if they are changed, they must only be changed in very specific ways.As I stated more than a few times in the fighter threads, I absolutely know that I'm whistling in the wind here.  There is zero chance that WotC is going to change the fighter.  I know that.  They have zero incentive to change it.  The most played class for years?  Yeah, you don't mess with that.  Of course you don't.  Which is why it gets doubly frustrating when every conversation about making any changes gets shouted down.  Everyone who wants changes to the fighter absolutely knows that it's never going to happen.  It's in the same category as Warlords and Psionics.  It's just NOT going to happen.  There's just no way that they will ever get past that 70% mark.  Good grief, people are losing their poop over new weapon mastery rules and that's such a minor, basic change.  Making an actual, significant modification to fighters?  Nope.It wouldn't bother me so much except that anything that doesn't have the WotC seal of approval might as well not even exist as far as my players go.  They just aren't interested.  I think mostly because they haven't actually gotten to play through what WotC has on tap yet.  Why would you look further if you have lots of options already?  Don't particularly like the Fighter?  Oh well, guess I'll play a Ranger or Rogue instead.It is rather discouraging sometimes.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></blockquote>

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