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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9077803" data-attributes="member: 7030563">A Cleric or Paladin is going to have a better AC out of the box meaning they will get hit less.&nbsp; This will be a lot less with something like Shield of Faith up and on the order of 25% as often with Protection from Evil and Good.&nbsp; Losing concentration doesn't really change that because they just recast the spell and it is not like AC is bad without it, you will be 20 with a cleric or 21 with a paladin before those defensive spells so if you get hit and if you lose concentration, you are without that defense for a part of one round until you can cast it again.Do they lose concentration occasionally with some really bad results - sure and a Barbarian can lose rage too thereby losing his resistance to some damage.A Barbarian with a 16 Constitution in tier 2 still will not last as long tanking against melee attacks as a Bladesinger or Eldritch Knight optimized for tanking with a 12 Constitution.&nbsp; They can last about as long as a Paladin or Cleric with a 12, although they will need a lot more healing between battles.And the key here is yes they can keep up with those classes, but they need to use a shield and have a very high constitution to equal what those characters can do while investing less in Constitution and while being substantially better at the non-combat pillars.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9077803, member: 7030563"] A Cleric or Paladin is going to have a better AC out of the box meaning they will get hit less. This will be a lot less with something like Shield of Faith up and on the order of 25% as often with Protection from Evil and Good. Losing concentration doesn't really change that because they just recast the spell and it is not like AC is bad without it, you will be 20 with a cleric or 21 with a paladin before those defensive spells so if you get hit and if you lose concentration, you are without that defense for a part of one round until you can cast it again. Do they lose concentration occasionally with some really bad results - sure and a Barbarian can lose rage too thereby losing his resistance to some damage. A Barbarian with a 16 Constitution in tier 2 still will not last as long tanking against melee attacks as a Bladesinger or Eldritch Knight optimized for tanking with a 12 Constitution. They can last about as long as a Paladin or Cleric with a 12, although they will need a lot more healing between battles. And the key here is yes they can keep up with those classes, but they need to use a shield and have a very high constitution to equal what those characters can do while investing less in Constitution and while being substantially better at the non-combat pillars. [/QUOTE]

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