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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 7408172" data-attributes="member: 6879661">There are very few spells that don’t have a verbal component. Getting to shut them down with a martial having a single opposed strength check at the cost of one of their many attacks is just too good. It’s the equivalent of casting a silence spell on a wizard but it uses their lowest save and the DC is a random number between and 8 and 27 (based on lvl 5 for, Str 18.) the wizard stands a good chance of failing even if the fighter rolls a 1. If the fighter rolls a 13 then my Str 8 wizard can’t avoid even he rolls a 20! It’s just too good.I like the principal of being able to improvise, so have the situation count as a distracting event and have it risk breaking concentration. If the fighter does very well on the opposed check let it give disadvantage on the concentration check. That feels proportional.As has been said already the fighters disadvantage is easily overcome.I don’t think you realize how hard it is for a wizard to break a grapple (Dex 14 wiz, non proficient with acrobatics) needs to roll a minimum of 7 even if the fighter rolls a 1. If the fighter rolls a 15 the wizard can’t at all. It’s a less than 25% chance. This is fine to stop someone running away sure, but shutting them down completely. Naaah.If I used this trick on my PCs the player in question would feel very unfair. I know this because I remember being grappled by a red dragon which the DM said flew away with me. I think my characters stats and the maths meant I had about a 1 in 10 chance of success. I tried for three rounds and then the dragon threw me at a mountain dealing 20d6 falling damage. No feather fall for me. I was 8th level IIRC (that was under pathfinder). Trust me that was not a fun encounter, and I still use it as an example of a DM choosing to kill a character.</blockquote>

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