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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7412080" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"That's a lotta lecturing and a little information. The key is that you had a blanket ruling already in place that prevents a disarmed opponent from simply picking the blade back up 'for free' on his turn, which is what a typical read of the PH would probably lead a player to expect..."</p><p></p><p>Of course its more lecturing when presented here, cuz you guys were not at my session zero. At table, would be briefer.</p><p></p><p>And, yes, absolutely, where 5e gives broad exception powers beyond the normal rule zero, where it mentions "the gm might.." Or "gm can..." As is the case with interactions vs obstacles (another case would be concentration special circumstances) i find it very useful at session zero to provide several examples of "yes" and "no" and where possible "maybe" to give players a solid footing as to what to expect **before** they hit border cases.</p><p></p><p>A player might expect to be able to pick up as free interaction a dropped blade when standing in a roaring mud-stained river... Since that specific example is not listed in the obstacle clause any more than the enemy is right there and wants you to not do so is... But a few yes/no/maybes at the beginning gives benchmark cases and "how it works" to help them predict.</p><p></p><p>"Would an enemy standing right there not wanting you to bend down and pick up a sword be a significant obstacle to picking it up, compared to picking it up when there is nobody else?" </p><p></p><p>You may think a typical player would be sure to expect "nope, no extra obstacle" but i have actually not had one answer that question that way or find the "in your control" vs "not in your control" (of the weapon) as less than obvious.</p><p></p><p>Different tables, different expectations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7412080, member: 6919838"] "That's a lotta lecturing and a little information. The key is that you had a blanket ruling already in place that prevents a disarmed opponent from simply picking the blade back up 'for free' on his turn, which is what a typical read of the PH would probably lead a player to expect..." Of course its more lecturing when presented here, cuz you guys were not at my session zero. At table, would be briefer. And, yes, absolutely, where 5e gives broad exception powers beyond the normal rule zero, where it mentions "the gm might.." Or "gm can..." As is the case with interactions vs obstacles (another case would be concentration special circumstances) i find it very useful at session zero to provide several examples of "yes" and "no" and where possible "maybe" to give players a solid footing as to what to expect **before** they hit border cases. A player might expect to be able to pick up as free interaction a dropped blade when standing in a roaring mud-stained river... Since that specific example is not listed in the obstacle clause any more than the enemy is right there and wants you to not do so is... But a few yes/no/maybes at the beginning gives benchmark cases and "how it works" to help them predict. "Would an enemy standing right there not wanting you to bend down and pick up a sword be a significant obstacle to picking it up, compared to picking it up when there is nobody else?" You may think a typical player would be sure to expect "nope, no extra obstacle" but i have actually not had one answer that question that way or find the "in your control" vs "not in your control" (of the weapon) as less than obvious. Different tables, different expectations. [/QUOTE]
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