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Message: <blockquote data-quote="0Trygger" data-source="post: 7841115" data-attributes="member: 7016946">I am a DM, I've ran a few games with the same group of friends. I have a party of 5, though there are 2 players that I constantly give me issues. Both of them tend to go out of the way to build the most broken character they can build. One of them even told me that his way of having fun was by breaking his character. The other one, on top of having a broken character has only one alignment, chaotic-evil. If he can't play chaotic-evil he will play chaotic-neutral and try to come with some roundabout reason why his character just committed an evil act. This doesn't help things when 4/5 players play chaotic in general. The 2 powergamers throw out the balance of the party so in order to challenge them I risk nearly killing or end up killing the other 3. The one thing that I do like is that they are the better role-played of the group, the other 3 are pretty bland and sit back most of the time going "ow I do this," " I do that," or "I try to convince the merchant to lower the price." I will give credit to one of them, he does try at times, he is just a more reserved person and I understand that. But the other 2, one spends his time on his PS4 (we meet at his house), and the other is watching videos on YouTube. I have tried numerous times to push them. Couple of sessions ago I talked to the 2 powergamers that I was going to separate them and they were to just sit the game out and that turned into a nightmare. The other 3 were completely lost. The party got separated in an Anti-Magic dungeon by a cave-in and they had to find their way out. They had no unity and just started doing there own thing. No one had a take charge attitude and we're completely indecisive on everything. One would throw out a suggestion but would never act on it. I would even give them ideas, and they still wouldn't do anything. In the end the one of the powergamers started telling them what to do, then they did it (after I got onto him for telling them what to do)So I'm stuck between 2 good roleplayers that try to build gods at level 1, 2 players that want to have fun but aren't putting any effort into it. The last one I don't have much of an issue with because he has been trying he's just more soft-spoken and none of the other players listen to him. Personally I want to just have fun telling a story, I personally hate the whole Player vs DM mentally, but I still want them to struggle somewhat.How would you guys deal with this? Any advice would be appreciated. I will also mention I do live Ina rural area so I don't have many options of finding a new group. This is the part of the US where geek culture is looked down upon, not really hated, but people here tend to focus more on farming, sports, and hunting, then getting drunk afterwards (or during).</blockquote>

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