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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8860235" data-attributes="member: 23751">Oka then, show us WotC's secret balance numbers that you have access to and are using to base your complaint on.There's a reason I say that balance is a range. You'd know that if you listened to understand instead of listening to respond.Mitigation is one piece of the puzzle, which is your failure.  You don't seem to grasp that these abilities are part of a whole and the whole of not only the PC, but the whole party over the entire adventuring day is what the game is balanced around.Maybe you haven't played the game before and don't understand that utility spells get used during the day.They're going to use them. As for fighters and utility, perhaps you missed in all your ignoring of what I have been saying that fighters need help in the other two pillars.Many?  You have literally used up every 2nd to 5th level slot for your combat damage.  They only have four 1st level spells and one 6th level spell for those "many" slots.You haven't demonstrated any such thing.  You incorrectly used more slots than clerics have to attack in every combat, while at the same time using those same slots for healing, and ignoring the fact that clerics will use spells for utility. 1+1 doesn't equal 7.  You don't get to use more slots than you have.Oh, so now your statement that they used their 5th level spells in the 7th fight is false?  And what about an 8th?  And the utility that will be used despite your protestations?Oh, and only having heal available is going to be death for those clerics.  The way combats work they will be brought low or knocked out in multiple encounters.  More often than 4 heal spells can handle.</blockquote>

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