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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5685601" data-attributes="member: 92511">Well...if you have a race of super/meta-humans I guess that makes sense.But, and correct me if I'm mistaken, isn't that kind of the point of ability bonus/penalities for non-human races? Humans are, and are supposed, to be the "weakest" race.From the ancient times of the game on through, the bonuses (and penalties) for races in certain areas are BECAUSE they are not human.Humans are the baseline if you would.Before ability bonuses, this translated (in B/X,BECMI) to the fact that you could not be (or rather weren't supposed to be according to RAW) a demi-human character if your ability score for this or that was under "X."As the game grew/advanced/changed, bonuses and penalties became the way.So, yes, a dwarf is automatically +x in this and and elf is automatically +y in that better than the "normal" (unaltered) score/roll...which would be a human's score.At least, that's my take on that...which isn't really the point of the thread.As to the point of the thread, decision is based on Character concept all the way! This usually is automatically a race/class combo from the start."Optimizing" has no influence on the decision of the concept at all. If I get some with a certain combo, great. But I'm not not going to play a concept I think will be fun because a mechanic tells me I'm going to suffer "-whatever" or "+who cares".As always, play what/how you like.Have fun and happy racing.Carry on.--Steel Dragons</blockquote>

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