Defending weapons

[zlorf]

I can't believe that you are being serious here. Are you?

Yes to answer your question , are you refering to the reference of "sword's"? or the fact it say it stacks with all others?

If its "sword's" it is only refering to 1 sword and its enhancement bonuses

Stacks with all others - heaps of things might stacks with all other bonuses but not bonus of the same kind, an exception is dodge bonuses.

I just looking at the normal stacking rules used throughout the corebooks and seeing if this applies.

All they need to say was "These bonuses stack with other defending weapons". The again
it may be assumed that this is the case and i could be wrong, but i think i have a valid point and it looks like a few people agree with me.

Cheers
Z

 

[Hypersmurf]

I must admit, I've always assumed that two Defending weapons could provide one bonus that stacks with all others, and another bonus that stacks with all others.

It didn't occur to me that another bonus from a different Defending weapon might not fall under the definition of 'all others'.

-Hyp.

 

[PallidPatience]

An untyped bonus from one source, such as a defending weapon, should by all means stack with an untyped bonus from another source, such as another, different, not the same, separate defending weapon. Or the opposite end of the same double weapon.

Of course it doesn't stack with ITSELF. It stacks with the bonus granted by THE OTHER WEAPON.

 

[zlorf]

Defending Weapons

An untyped bonus from one source, such as a defending weapon, should by all means stack with an untyped bonus from another source, such as another, different, not the same, separate defending weapon. Or the opposite end of the same double weapon.

Of course it doesn't stack with ITSELF. It stacks with the bonus granted by THE OTHER WEAPON.

I happy with the input people have put in...i still could go either way, its probably
ment to stack with each other...*btw your capslock is on*


Cheers
Sami

 

[Nonlethal Force]

I can see this two ways, but ultimately by RAW I would allow two weapons to stack.

For example. Say there is a PrC that has an "insightful defence" class ability that allows you to add your INT modifier to your AC. You multiclass into another PrC that has the "intellectually prepared" class ability that allows you to add your INT modifier to your AC. Even though both class abilities are named different things, it's the same bonus and it doesn't stack with itself, right? So ... why should the defending ability stack with itself?

Having said that, I still think that WotC authors went out of their way to be clear that the answer to the question "does this bonus stack with _____" is "yes." Even with itself.

Besides ... if you've got two +4 defending swords you are typically better off only using one for defense if you want to attack seriously. And if you are in a position to need both for defense - well, you likely aren't going to be hitting as much as the game expects you to. Thus, you enemies are going to get more swings at you. In some respects, the ruling to allow them to stack helps balance itself in actual game play.

 

[pawsplay]

An untyped bonus from one source, such as a defending weapon, should by all means stack with an untyped bonus from another source, such as another, different, not the same, separate defending weapon.


How do you figure? If I have Weapon Focus, and I use a magic item that grants you Weapon Focus, I don't get Weapon Focus (+1 to hit) from "two sources."

 

[Hypersmurf]

How do you figure? If I have Weapon Focus, and I use a magic item that grants you Weapon Focus, I don't get Weapon Focus (+1 to hit) from "two sources."

Well, feats can only be taken more than once if they are noted as such.

Effectively, the weapon makes you 'a person with Weapon Focus', and taking the feat makes you 'a person with Weapon Focus', and 'a person with Weapon Focus' gets +1 to attack rolls.

If Weapon Focus could be taken more than once for the same weapon (which it specifically cannot), I'd think the untyped bonuses would stack. Since it can't, whether or not the bonus would stack is irrelevant, since it's a situation that cannot arise.

-Hyp.