Defenses: Crunching the numbers...

[breschau]

Here's what we have from the D&DXP character sheets, assuming the scoop of higher of two stats for defenses:

Halfling Paladin:

Fort: 13 (+2 from stats, +1 from size)
Refl: 14 (+1 from stats, +1 from size, +2 from heavy shield)
Will: 16 (+3 from stats, +1 from size, +2 from class)

Human Cleric:

Fort: 13 (+2 from stats, +1 from ?)
Refl: 12 (+1 from stats, +1 from ?)
Will: 17 (+4 from stats, +2 from class, +1 from ?)

The human racial ability listed is +1 to saves, not defenses.

Dwarven Fighter:

Fort: 16 (+4 from stats, +2 from class)
Refl: 13 (+1 from stats, +2 from heavy shield)
Will: 12 (+2 from stats)

Eladrin Ranger:

Fort: 13 (+2 from stats, +1 from ?)
Refl: 15 (+4 from stats, +1 from ?)
Will: 13 (+2 from stats, +1 from ?)

Tiefling Wizard:

Fort: 10 (+0 from stats)
Refl: 15 (+5 from stats)
Will: 13 (+1 from stats, +2 from class)

Half-Elf Warlock:

Fort: 13 (+3 form stats)
Refl: 13 (+2 from stats, +1 from ?)
Will: 15 (+4 from stats, +1 from ?)

The issue is with the Warlock (+1 to two defenses), Ranger (+1 to all), and the Cleric (mystery +1 to all). Racial abilities are listed on the character sheet (e.g. the Halfling's Small Size is listed even though all the bonuses are already included). So if the human has a similar ability, why isn't it listed? (Again, the human feat is saves, not defenses.)

Still, the Warlock and Ranger deviate from the apparent norm of +2 to one defense from class. Fine, one class gets a +1 to all three, but that still leaves the +1 to two for the Warlock. Possible solution: typo on the Warlock's Fort, should be 14.

 

[mach1.9pants]

The Ranger and Warlock are problematic using what we know. My opinion is that the Warlock gets +1 to Ref and Will, and the Ranger is in error. But that is just a guess

For the Cleric even though it says +1 to saves (which the players have to know to be able to use it when they save) IMO Human Perseverance also includes +1 to Defenses, but it is not mentioned as it is included in the stats. But that does make it seem a very powerful feat...

 

[Scholar & Brutalman]

For the Cleric even though it says +1 to saves (which the players have to know to be able to use it when they save) IMO Human Perseverance also includes +1 to Defenses, but it is not mentioned as it is included in the stats. But that does make it seem a very powerful feat...

I think the +1 to defences is probably a human racial ability. All the other characters have multiple racial abilities, but the human only has the Human Perseverance feat. He must have other abilities hiding in his stats.

 

[mach1.9pants]

I think the +1 to defences is probably a human racial ability. All the other characters have multiple racial abilities, but the human only has the Human Perseverance feat. He must have other abilities hiding in his stats.

Yeah but it is weird that the +1 to saves racial feature (which makes more sense than my idea) is not mentioned in the sheet. All the other races have their stuff mentioned.

 

[Knight Otu]

Yeah but it is weird that the +1 to saves racial feature (which makes more sense than my idea) is not mentioned in the sheet. All the other races have their stuff mentioned.

Not everything is mentioned (and it says so on the sheets) - for instance, flat skill bonuses aren't spelled out, so it would make sense that flat defense bonuses aren't either.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I think the human has +1 defenses (that has nothing to do with the Human Perserverence feat, but is along the same fluff lines)

I also think that the Ranger's +1 to everything is it's class bonus. It suits the "jack of all trades" of the ranger. I mean, what defence ISN'T the ranger good at, thinking of it's fluff?

Fitz

 

[breschau]

Not everything is mentioned (and it says so on the sheets) - for instance, flat skill bonuses aren't spelled out, so it would make sense that flat defense bonuses aren't either.

No, many things are not spelled out, but we can deduce many things from the sheet, the skills are simple... I'll start another thread in a few.