Defining its own Mythology

[Raven Crowking]

No. I also like the changes in 4e. I think the dragonborn and tieflings are a breath of fresh air compared to the Tolkien fellating. And yet somehow this insults Your D&D.

I think that removing the hodgepodge nature of literary influences from the core is a mistake. That is not the same thing as an insult. Your comment about "Tolkien fellating", for example, is an obviously intentional insult, although the statement it is contained in is not mistaken (assuming, of course, that you really feel that way).

You would be wrong. Living in the Bible Belt of the US means few gamers, period. It has nothing to do with fantasy gaming at all. Hodgepodge D&D, superheros or Serenity RPG, there's barely any gamers at all to play them in the first place.

Really? I was born in the United States, and I've lived in the Bible Belt. I never had a problem finding gamers even in Louisiana, where they still call the counties "parishes". Of course, this was back in the days of 1e D&D, when the game was at its height of popularity. Perhaps things have changed.

One has to wonder, though, why (if it has nothing to do with fantasy gaming at all) you suggested earlier that changing D&D would make it easier to find players interested in the games that you are interested in. One also has to wonder why, if you can find players for hodgepodge D&D (assuming you are playing at all), you can't convince those players to try the games you prefer.

In any event, I feel for your pain.

RC

 

[Rechan]

Or, you know, trying to be nicer when you do post.

Again, there's nothing I can do.

 

[mhensley]

You would be wrong. Living in the Bible Belt of the US means few gamers, period. It has nothing to do with fantasy gaming at all. Hodgepodge D&D, superheros or Serenity RPG, there's barely any gamers at all to play them in the first place.

Strange. I live in nearby Knoxville and there's tons of gamers here. Even though there's a church on every corner.

 

[Rechan]

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Really? I was born in the United States, and I've lived in the Bible Belt. I never had a problem finding gamers even in Louisiana, where they still call the counties "parishes". Of course, this was back in the days of 1e D&D, when the game was at its height of popularity. Perhaps things have changed.

That was pre-Jack Chick and pre-2e mass hysteria, I imagine. But outside of say, Atlanta or some other metropolis, it's quite challenging.

One has to wonder, though, why (if it has nothing to do with fantasy gaming at all) you suggested earlier that changing D&D would make it easier to find players interesting in the games that you are interested in. One also has to wonder why, if you can find players for hodgepodge D&D (assuming you are playing at all), you can't convince those players to try the games you prefer.

I never suggested that changing D&D makes it easier to find players. It's all ready the most widely played game. The trend in changes may attract new players, which the hobby needs, but I don't think the changes will make it easier to find people.

I said I play D&D because there are just more people that play it, therefore making it easier to find likeminded players.

 

[pawsplay]

Strange. I live in nearby Knoxville and there's tons of gamers here. Even though there's a church on every corner.

I started gaming in Broken Arrow, OK, and every boy on the block over the age of 8 played.

 

[Rechan]

Strange. I live in nearby Knoxville and there's tons of gamers here. Even though there's a church on every corner.

Huh. That is odd. Maybe it's just my city. The comic book/gaming stores die like flies here, and the only thing that seems to garner any attention is either WH40K or Magic/Pokemon.

 

[Rechan]

I think that removing the hodgepodge nature of literary influences from the core is a mistake. That is not the same thing as an insult. Your comment about "Tolkien fellating", for example, is an obviously intentional insult, although the statement it is contained in is not mistaken (assuming, of course, that you really feel that way).

And yet despite its hodgepodge nature, the move to add modern fantasy elements to D&D has met with such resistance.

 

[resistor]

Seriously, if what I've said offends you, then there's little I can do except stop posting. I'm being tame compared to message boards, compared to the arguments here. A few weeks ago someone on Enworld said that they wanted the fun/style of a certain type of gaming to be put into a sack and thrown into a river until it drowns, never to be found again. I've not broken any message board rules (unless a mod would like to correct me there).

The difference is between saying something negative about the topic (which, while potentially not popular, is a valid contribution to a discussion) and saying something negative about the speakers.

Telling those of us who are discouraged about 4e's flavor that we're a "good riddance" is a personal insult aimed at us, the posters, not a meaningful contribution to the discussion. In debate, they call it "ad hominem."

 

[Rechan]

Telling those of us who are discouraged about 4e's flavor that we're a "good riddance" is a personal insult aimed at us, the posters, not a meaningful contribution to the discussion. In debate, they call it "ad hominem."

I disagree. I don't see it as an insult at all.

 

[pawsplay]

I disagree. I don't see it as an insult at all.

You're telling people that their opinion makes them unwelcome. "Good riddance" means, in case you were unaware, "I'm glad they're gone."