Deities and Demigods ~ Thank You God!

[Nightfall]

Think you want the Quin book for Clerics there Flexy.


Btw Vangal ALSO wields an axe. Two of them in fact.

 

[A2Z]

I just ordered it today! Along with dungeons 91 and 92. Should get it by the end of the week. I'm so happy.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Because nobody cares about Greyhawk.

It's sad. But since I can't bring myself to play in the Munchkin Realms I guess I'm just SOL.

My axe comment was in reference to the fact that whoever wrote up the big H gave him a sword instead of his magic, size changing axe that he always had in Greyhawk before. Maybe they should have read some of the old materials before doing him? That's not that important, just nit picking, since I don't think my PC's will ever be battling gods.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Think you want the Quin book for Clerics there Flexy.


Btw Vangal ALSO wields an axe. Two of them in fact.

Probably, but I hoped for a lot of material you could use in a regular campaign, ie not 63rd level PC's who wield +23 swords and can make a jump check so well they can fly from Furondy to Blackmoor, then plane shift and slay a few gods.

 

[hong]

It's sad. But since I can't bring myself to play in the Munchkin Realms I guess I'm just SOL.

Oh well. Life sucks and then you die.

My axe comment was in reference to the fact that whoever wrote up the big H gave him a sword instead of his magic, size changing axe that he always had in Greyhawk before. Maybe they should have read some of the old materials before doing him?

You're quite obviously not on the Greyhawk mailing list.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

You're quite obviously not on the Greyhawk mailing list.

No, I'm just going by old 1e Greyhawk material and the Oerth Journals.

 

[tsadkiel]

I don't see why the couldn't go into a lot more detail about the Greyhawk gods followers and organizations? That's a specific campaign. I just don't see how this uber Monster Manual is anymore useful than the older versions. I was dissapointed.

Here's one of the deep dark secrets of 3E - the D&D Pantheon doesn't necessarily equal the Greyhawk pantheon. It's derived from the Greyhawk pantheon, sure, but distilled into an example set of gods designed to be used in a wide variety of settings. (I don't have Dieties and Demigods yet, but I'm willing to bet that they're never at any point referred to as "the Greyhawk Pantheon," always as "the D&D Pantheon.)

If it makes you feel better, think of it this way - the D&D versions are what the gods seem like when they're slumming in other settings. At home, Heironeous uses an axe. Elsewhere, he uses a sword, because that's what people assume paladins do, and he's trying to increase his market share.

 

[MaltCaine]

Well, I must agree: the art is phenomenal. The best to date for sure.

And again, I must agree: Some more information on the followers, churches, responsibilitites, traditions, beliefs, dogma, and practices ot the religious orders would have been very nice - bordering on required. I do enjoy creating my own material for sure, but being able to read through the ideas presented in those sections would have undoubtably fueled my creative energy there. Now I do it from scratch.

Overall rating (so far, I still have to read the last chapter and appendix): 8.87 ... definately worth the cash. The artwork alone boosts the score.

Malt.

 

[TomServo]

Another voice of dissent here.

I too am disappointed in this book. Pages and pages of godly stats and powers followed by pages and pages of rules to explain these stats and powers. I would have rather seen information on the churches, they're relationships with other churches, dogma, priestly duties, etc... But instead its an ubermunchkin monster manual. In 20 years of playing D&D I've never run across a situation where I needed a god's stats. The only things I found useful in this book were the new domains and the chapter on pantheon building. Thankfully, I still have a copy of On Hallowed Ground; IMO a far better divine sourcebook. Instead of "Tools not Rules", D&DG is "Some tools, smothered in Rules."

 

[tsadkiel]

Because nobody cares about Greyhawk.

Here's the thing. Remember when Sword and Fist came out, and it featured some Greyhawk specific material? There were two basic reactions to that:

Group A) - "This is completely useless to me. I don't play in Greyhawk, and I'm never going to. Why do they waste space with this Greyhawk crap?"

Group B) - "This is completely useless to me. Where did this 'Fist of Hextor' crap come from? Why didn't they put in something that's really from Greyhak, like a Scarlet Brotherhood prestige class, or rangers of the Gnarley Forest? If you're going to do Greyhawk, do it right. Sheesh."

People who don't care about Greyhawk don't care about Greyhawk. People who do care about it already have all of the old stuff, have been participating in a very active online Greyhawk community for years, and have very specific ideas about the setting. And in a few cases, won't be happy with any new Greyhawk material unless it's been written by Gygax himself.

You find a way to market to both groups.