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<blockquote data-quote="Vuron" data-source="post: 151164" data-attributes="member: 14">In regards to proxies vs avatarsAvatars require the usage of a Salient Ability Slot, divine rank of 6 and a charisma of 29+ . Furthermore if destroyed the avatar cannot be reformed for a year. Combine that with the fact the higher level salient abilities are generally no longer accessable and the fact that the avatars &quot;burn up&quot; remoting sensing slots definitely limits thier utility.Roleplaying reasons for proxies: They are independent and can offer a different more mortal perspective, they can be relatively unique and powerful (a god without any rogue levels might enjoy a rogue proxy), and they might allow a god to reward particularly loyal followers to his/her cause. All in all they have a lot of good things going for them <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Concerning the progression of BaB and Saves: To my knowledge both DDG and ELH follow the general rule concerning Bab progression and saves progression, I think this is a good step to prevent excessive accumulation of high BaB and saves. Just remember kids that if you want your 4 attacks get them early in your epic career they are a pain to get later <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vuron, post: 151164, member: 14"] In regards to proxies vs avatars Avatars require the usage of a Salient Ability Slot, divine rank of 6 and a charisma of 29+ . Furthermore if destroyed the avatar cannot be reformed for a year. Combine that with the fact the higher level salient abilities are generally no longer accessable and the fact that the avatars "burn up" remoting sensing slots definitely limits thier utility. Roleplaying reasons for proxies: They are independent and can offer a different more mortal perspective, they can be relatively unique and powerful (a god without any rogue levels might enjoy a rogue proxy), and they might allow a god to reward particularly loyal followers to his/her cause. All in all they have a lot of good things going for them :) Concerning the progression of BaB and Saves: To my knowledge both DDG and ELH follow the general rule concerning Bab progression and saves progression, I think this is a good step to prevent excessive accumulation of high BaB and saves. Just remember kids that if you want your 4 attacks get them early in your epic career they are a pain to get later :) [/QUOTE]

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