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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 162522" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi there! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  If anyone has problems with Deities & Demigods feel free to point them out and I will (if I agree) address them in the Immortals Handbook/Worship Points System.Like jasamcarl (and others) I still don't have the book (hopefully it will arrive on Monday) so I can only speculate rather than assess at this point.  I agree. I can see a place for auto 20's though - but they do seem invasive when used too liberally.I'll have to study this clearly. Trust me, when you see Epic Magic at work those high saves are going to look insignificant; perhaps even irrelevant..?This is the problem with not adding Epic Levels to the gods.  I agree theres a definite aspect of 'trumping'.   Cancel it with Anti-magic. Most divine combat takes place (from my experience) within Anti-magic. Thats the litmus test of whos the best. One of the problems herein is (in combat notably), the dominance of bonuses over dice. In 1st Ed. dice rolls made a difference between deities.</blockquote>