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<blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8756043" data-attributes="member: 86653"><p>Absolutely.</p><p></p><p>Extremely limited cases. I allow things like sneak up and knockout and killing in sleep. If someone's helpless, tied up, unconscious, etc there's literally no way they can resist so things like AC, saves, and hit points are irrelevant. This cuts both ways, of course. Though I've never actually used it against PCs. But the threat of it is usually enough to put the idea of keeping watch and using that tactic against NPCs into the players' heads. So mission accomplished.</p><p></p><p>If there's nothing at stake and no chance of failure, there's no reason to roll.</p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>Nope.</p><p></p><p>The PC dies.</p><p></p><p>Depends on how you read the DEX save. I think of it as rolling with the punch or minimizing damage, so generally yes, they'd still get a roll. But I'm an old school referee and I still use things like expanding fireballs and bouncing lighting bolts. So in those exact, utterly white room theorycrafting circumstances, nope. Just toast 'em. An explosion massive enough to fill a 30ft radius contained in a 10ft room? Whoever's in there is dead.</p><p></p><p>A PC in that room? Still crispy.</p><p></p><p>Roll to hit, yes. Likely with advantage. The PC is restrained but not helpless. I'm imagining having some slack in those chains so the PC can move around a bit. Hence the roll. But their movement is limited. Hence the advantage. </p><p></p><p>Tables turned? Whatever's good for the goose is good for the gander. The PCs don't have immunity from the consequences of their actions nor script immunity. If a PC dies, the PC dies. The player should already have a back up character ready to go and I'll introduce them as soon as possible.</p><p></p><p>Basically, yes. If there's nothing at stake and no chance of failure, there's no reason to roll.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="overgeeked, post: 8756043, member: 86653"] Absolutely. Extremely limited cases. I allow things like sneak up and knockout and killing in sleep. If someone's helpless, tied up, unconscious, etc there's literally no way they can resist so things like AC, saves, and hit points are irrelevant. This cuts both ways, of course. Though I've never actually used it against PCs. But the threat of it is usually enough to put the idea of keeping watch and using that tactic against NPCs into the players' heads. So mission accomplished. If there's nothing at stake and no chance of failure, there's no reason to roll. Yes. Nope. The PC dies. Depends on how you read the DEX save. I think of it as rolling with the punch or minimizing damage, so generally yes, they'd still get a roll. But I'm an old school referee and I still use things like expanding fireballs and bouncing lighting bolts. So in those exact, utterly white room theorycrafting circumstances, nope. Just toast 'em. An explosion massive enough to fill a 30ft radius contained in a 10ft room? Whoever's in there is dead. A PC in that room? Still crispy. Roll to hit, yes. Likely with advantage. The PC is restrained but not helpless. I'm imagining having some slack in those chains so the PC can move around a bit. Hence the roll. But their movement is limited. Hence the advantage. Tables turned? Whatever's good for the goose is good for the gander. The PCs don't have immunity from the consequences of their actions nor script immunity. If a PC dies, the PC dies. The player should already have a back up character ready to go and I'll introduce them as soon as possible. Basically, yes. If there's nothing at stake and no chance of failure, there's no reason to roll. [/QUOTE]
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