Dervish with Whirlwind Attack feat

[Shin Okada]

I am toying with an idea of a glaive wielding dervish.

WHIRLWIND ATTACK
"When you use the full attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make one melee attack at your full base attack bonus against each opponent within reach.
When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you also forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities.”

Dervish Dance (From Complete Warrior, Dervish prestige class)
"While in this dervish dance, she can take a full attack action (for melee attacks only) and still move up to her speed. However, the dervish must move a minimum of 5 feet between each attack when using this ability, and she cannot return to a square she just exited (though she may return to that square laater during her full attack)."

Well, can I combine those 2? Dervish Dance says a character can take a full attack action and move. And Whirlwind attack is a full-attack action. But "minimum of 5 feet between each attack" requirement seems problematic.

1: A character cannot combine those 2 moves.
2: A character can use Whirlwind attack and make multiple attacks at one point during his move. Say, move, stop and attack all the attack within reach, then move again.
3: Any other interpretation.

 

[Brain]

From a RAW point of view, the wording is too vague.

From a common sense point of view, these abilities should be completely seperate.

 

[shilsen]

1: A character cannot combine those 2 moves.

The requirement for movement between attacks with Dervish Dance and the inability to move (other than a 5 ft step before or after it) with WWA makes the two completely incompatible.

 

[drnuncheon]

The requirement for movement between attacks with Dervish Dance and the inability to move (other than a 5 ft step before or after it) with WWA makes the two completely incompatible.

Read again, shil - the Dervish Dance ability lets you take a move action during a full attack action. Since WWA uses the full attack action and not its own special type of action, by the rules these can be combined.

WWA uses separate attack rolls for each attack, so it seems like when using this you'd get 1 attack for each 5' of movement, at your full BAB, only one attack per target (since it doesn't relax any other restrictions of the WWA), giving up any other extra attacks (from Cleave, 2WF, etc) Also, if at any time you ran out of eligible opponents, your attack would end (just like a normal WWA)

At a 30' move, that's 6 attacks- powerful, but with WWA (and no dervish levels) you could get up to 8 (with a normal melee weapon), so I don't know that it's going to be a huge problem - you're basically investing several feats and several levels into the ability to do this.

J

 

[Balord]

It seems to me you CAN use whirlwind attack during a dervish dance.

Dervish Dance (From Complete Warrior, Dervish prestige class)
While in this dervish dance, she can take a FULL ATTACK ACTION (for melee attacks only) and still move up to her speed. However, the dervish must move a minimum of 5 feet between EACH ATTACK when using this ability

WHIRLWIND ATTACK
"When you use the FULL ATTACK ACTION, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make ONE MELEE ATTACK at your full base attack bonus against each opponent within reach.

Whirlwind Attack is a full attack action, which you are allowed to make when performing a dervish dance. Whirlwind is also described as ONE melee attack that you make against all targets within reach, so the notion of taking at least a 5 ft step between attacks is irrelevant because in essence you are only making one attack. The way I read it, you can make a whirlwind attack during a dervish dance and still move up to your speed. And given the required feats for this class (dodge, combat expertise), plus the fact that you are given Spring Attack (yet another prerequisite for Whirlwind) as you progress through the levels of Dervish, it seems to me that if you take this class you are purposefully being led toward taking Whirlwind Attack. So it seems counterintuitive to me that you couldn't use it while performing a Dervish Dance.

 

[John Q. Mayhem]

I think that dervish dance would combine well with the Scout and others Skirmish ability. Bonuses to AC and damage when moving+full attacks when moving? Yes please!

 

[Shin Okada]

I think that dervish dance would combine well with the Scout and others Skirmish ability. Bonuses to AC and damage when moving+full attacks when moving? Yes please!

Good idea! Scout 7/Dervish X or Scout 2/Fighter 4/Dervish X seem to be good combos.

 

[Andur]

I'd just make ya roll once for your Whirlwind attack and keep accruing the penalties to each foe, thus making it totally a mute point.

Of course on the other hand, it would limit you to only 6 foes whom you could attack with a move of 30'.

 

[Saeviomagy]

I'd just make ya roll once for your Whirlwind attack and keep accruing the penalties to each foe, thus making it totally a mute point.

MOOT point. And what penalties??

Of course on the other hand, it would limit you to only 6 foes whom you could attack with a move of 30'.

Unless you have foes on either side of you at some point during the move.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Unless you have foes on either side of you at some point during the move.

Well, no. The Dance requires you to move at least five feet between each attack.

So you could, in theory, hit seven - with a five foot move between each. But if at some point you're surrounded by several opponents, it doesn't matter - you must move between each attack.

-Hyp.