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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6869794" data-attributes="member: 5834">By the rules if the PCs have sufficient cover, Stealth works against blindsight. So it is a large pyramid. That's why my group likes things drawn out, so they understand the terrain which can sometimes be different in the DMs and players minds and affect play in a manner that leads to unhappiness and feelings of cheating by the DM. And yes, I've had to deal with this one as well, even though it was just a miscommunication.Whether Stealth works against Blindsight is not up to the DM in a game between players and a DM that have agreed to follow the rules. Stealth works against Blindsight per Jeremy Crawford who defines the rules for D&D.Now the part I will allow is what constitutes sufficient cover in a neutral game like this. That would be up to the DM as long as he was making reasonable decisions.In a situation like this we're not sitting around  your table where your word is law. This would be the equivalent of playing in an organized play scenario where the rules were agreed upon prior to play and must for the most part be officially sanctioned and followed. In this scenario I will give you the benefit of the doubt that a shadow dragon can hide effectively in this area. You were kind enough to give the bard a gem of seeing and she has Devilsight. This is one of those situations where it would see ample use and hopefully be very helpful spotting said dragon.In my particular group the bard has the same visual range as the dragon and access to a gem of seeing and a really high stealth herself. I think is +10 without pass without trace. Then again my group doesn't have pass without trace, so no worries. But a +20 stealth check for the bard with the gem of seeing and devilsight gives her a good chance to see creatures hidden in really dark places. I'd hope you would consider that in your rulings.It would be extremely difficult. I'm not going to lie. That dragon might get a vicious surprise round.</blockquote>

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