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<blockquote data-quote="Betote" data-source="post: 4529281" data-attributes="member: 52055"><p>A suggestion: don't change the rules. Clarify, yes. Add errata, yes. Change, never. So you could have attack bonuses and ascending AC because it doesn't change the maths (I'd go for the S&W take of providing THAC0 and Attack Bonus, as well as ascending/descending AC, and let the user choose), but not eliminate Excepcional Strenght, because it's a feature of the system, not a bug. If you find that something is very obviously prone to be changed or houseruled away (as the nefarious unarmed combat tables), include them anyway and, if anything, add a sidebar with a "suggested optional rule"</p><p></p><p>Don't add anything that wasn't core, either. That includes kits, S&P, Tome of Magic, Half-orcs, Assassins et al. As much as you (or I) would like to see them, they're not part of the "essence" of the game. You'd be surprised by how many people has played 10+ years of 2e without knowing what a "kit" is, because they just bough the core books.</p><p></p><p>With that you should be able to assemble a 2e clone in not too much time, if you use OSRIC and Tome of Horrors as sources. An then, if you still see the necessity of "pathfinderizing" it, you could publish a separate book called "SERF Companion" or something like that with kits, updated races, wild magic and anything else.</p><p></p><p>That's if you want a retro-clone, of course. If what you're looking for is a 2.5e (as Pathfinder is a 3.75 or Hackmaster a 1.5), then by all means change, remove or add whatever you feel like to <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> In any case, I promise to have a read at it. I know you'll be able to sleep a lot better now that you know that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Betote, post: 4529281, member: 52055"] A suggestion: don't change the rules. Clarify, yes. Add errata, yes. Change, never. So you could have attack bonuses and ascending AC because it doesn't change the maths (I'd go for the S&W take of providing THAC0 and Attack Bonus, as well as ascending/descending AC, and let the user choose), but not eliminate Excepcional Strenght, because it's a feature of the system, not a bug. If you find that something is very obviously prone to be changed or houseruled away (as the nefarious unarmed combat tables), include them anyway and, if anything, add a sidebar with a "suggested optional rule" Don't add anything that wasn't core, either. That includes kits, S&P, Tome of Magic, Half-orcs, Assassins et al. As much as you (or I) would like to see them, they're not part of the "essence" of the game. You'd be surprised by how many people has played 10+ years of 2e without knowing what a "kit" is, because they just bough the core books. With that you should be able to assemble a 2e clone in not too much time, if you use OSRIC and Tome of Horrors as sources. An then, if you still see the necessity of "pathfinderizing" it, you could publish a separate book called "SERF Companion" or something like that with kits, updated races, wild magic and anything else. That's if you want a retro-clone, of course. If what you're looking for is a 2.5e (as Pathfinder is a 3.75 or Hackmaster a 1.5), then by all means change, remove or add whatever you feel like to ;) In any case, I promise to have a read at it. I know you'll be able to sleep a lot better now that you know that :D [/QUOTE]
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