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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 906181" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>They do have access to a special spell-like ability which works like a summon monster spell. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just for the record, here we go:</p><p>Monster Manual, Page 43, as well as Page 50, Summon Tanar'ri or Summon Bateezu: "....can summon other tanar'ri/bateezu much as though casting a summon monster spell.....Summoned creatures automatically return whence they came after 1 hour...."</p><p></p><p>Why would they bother with gate spells when they can use their innate abilities? Especially since they usually don't have access to gate.</p><p></p><p>And your reference about livestock doesn't apply anyway. Payment is to be rendered after the deed is done. And they usually want that "livestock" alive. And I really don't think they meant chickens. Virgins, children or innocent people are far more likely</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not if we still speak about the innate abilities to summon other fiends.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it is sufficient to call the fiend, which is done vocally. They cannot resist anyway, and if they can, they probably won't have to much problems with invisibility.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps they didn't like the way you answered.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that's what I meant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Completely right. It's no gate. It's a simple summoning. It may be a good Idea to consult the relevant rulebooks (of the current edition of the rules, not a former one, since much has changed since AD&D 2e, for what we all can be happy) before stating stuff and getting funny at people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 906181, member: 4134"] They do have access to a special spell-like ability which works like a summon monster spell. [B][/B] Just for the record, here we go: Monster Manual, Page 43, as well as Page 50, Summon Tanar'ri or Summon Bateezu: "....can summon other tanar'ri/bateezu much as though casting a summon monster spell.....Summoned creatures automatically return whence they came after 1 hour...." Why would they bother with gate spells when they can use their innate abilities? Especially since they usually don't have access to gate. And your reference about livestock doesn't apply anyway. Payment is to be rendered after the deed is done. And they usually want that "livestock" alive. And I really don't think they meant chickens. Virgins, children or innocent people are far more likely [B][/B] Not if we still speak about the innate abilities to summon other fiends. [B][/B] I think it is sufficient to call the fiend, which is done vocally. They cannot resist anyway, and if they can, they probably won't have to much problems with invisibility. [B][/B] Perhaps they didn't like the way you answered. [B][/B] Yes, that's what I meant. [B][/B] Completely right. It's no gate. It's a simple summoning. It may be a good Idea to consult the relevant rulebooks (of the current edition of the rules, not a former one, since much has changed since AD&D 2e, for what we all can be happy) before stating stuff and getting funny at people. [/QUOTE]
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