D&D 4E Devils in 4E

[Shade]

Thanks for the links. Here's a few more on the topic:

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/4thEdition/succubiAreNowDevilsOrStopTheMadness
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/dungeon/savageTide/malcanthetADevil
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=351967
http://www.planewalker.com/forums/viewThread.php?intPostID=34648

 

[Alzrius]

I agree that this change is crap-tacular. Changing part of the game's history that's been around for 30+ years, purely for the sake of having a change, is a very bad idea.

That said, the fun from this will be trying to tie the new status of the planes back in to the old status. For example: suppose the reason that there are no more humanoid demons in the Abyss is because of the Savage Tide? After Demogorgon was defeated, the obyriths made a successful comeback, destroying many of the tanar'ri and routing the others. The devils, for their part, are now capitalizing on this. The Infernal Ministry quickly orders all erinyes to be biomantically modified, and are now called "succubi" - all the better to earn them additional summonings to the Material Plane.

This sort of retconning can be very enjoyable.

 

[Shade]

I'm holding out hope that we can find someone who is "tradition-friendly" in the new regime and begin slipping D&D's rich tradition back into the game via freelance channels. Surely this edition will have its Mona and Jacobs.

If not, we can await the inevitable new regime for 5th edition in a few years.

 

[freyar]

Now they've pretty much gone and confirmed that eladrin are elves...

You know, I've only played a bit (in 3e almost entirely), but even I can tell the difference.

 

[Shade]

It also appears that Imix has "fire archons" working for him.

Lines. Blurring. Can't. Keep. Up.

 

[sckeener]

I haven't been keeping up with the rumor mill about 4e...

am I understanding correctly that the monsters are going to be more a chart/spreadsheet where we cross reference the level of the part vs the type of monster (ex. brute) to find out the appropriate stat/abilities range?

From that it sounds like the description of the monster is fluff...am I understanding the rumor correctly?

 

[Shade]

I honestly don't know at this point. My impression is that the base monster will have stats, but to increase it, you make it a "troll brute 1" or "troll archer 1" or "troll mastermind 1" rather than adding Hit Dice or class levels. This is pure speculation on my part.

 

[sckeener]

thanks....I was worried. I still am, but at least I know I'm not the only one in the dark.

For some reason I had images of the hordling table in mm2 1st edition....

Hard for me to envision races when using matrices.