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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9576499" data-attributes="member: 2209">I see the far realm as an alien universe that works on alien principles normal planes do not really understand and comprehend so it appears chaotic but just because we can't put a framework on it. Things are different but do run on unknown alien laws that are not apparent so it seems very chaotic. The insanity aspect is the inability of those in the normal universe to process the alienness when interacting with Far Realms and the alien mind set and purposes of things from there are so different it seems they are insane from our perspective.Limbo is outer plane Chaotic Neutral so conceptual Chaos with Slaadi metamorphosing metaphor frog beings and change and freedom and entropy and individuality. Madness comes in as part of the individual characteristics of the planes, the madness is the instability of chaos warping the reality of the plane and the minds of people entering the plane and changing them. AD&amp;D also went kind of hard in on characterizing CN being random in ways that are not sane so this could have been a contributing factor for Limbo having aspects of Madness in the 1e Manual of Planes and Planescape which set up and fleshed out defining features of Limbo.The 4e/5e Elemental Chaos is just the maelstrom of mixed fundamental elements swirling and remixing and interacting. It is not spiritually and intellectually conceptual, it is primally physical. It is not alien but natural and it is not inherently insanity inducing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 9576499, member: 2209"] I see the far realm as an alien universe that works on alien principles normal planes do not really understand and comprehend so it appears chaotic but just because we can't put a framework on it. Things are different but do run on unknown alien laws that are not apparent so it seems very chaotic. The insanity aspect is the inability of those in the normal universe to process the alienness when interacting with Far Realms and the alien mind set and purposes of things from there are so different it seems they are insane from our perspective. Limbo is outer plane Chaotic Neutral so conceptual Chaos with Slaadi metamorphosing metaphor frog beings and change and freedom and entropy and individuality. Madness comes in as part of the individual characteristics of the planes, the madness is the instability of chaos warping the reality of the plane and the minds of people entering the plane and changing them. AD&D also went kind of hard in on characterizing CN being random in ways that are not sane so this could have been a contributing factor for Limbo having aspects of Madness in the 1e Manual of Planes and Planescape which set up and fleshed out defining features of Limbo. The 4e/5e Elemental Chaos is just the maelstrom of mixed fundamental elements swirling and remixing and interacting. It is not spiritually and intellectually conceptual, it is primally physical. It is not alien but natural and it is not inherently insanity inducing. [/QUOTE]

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