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<blockquote data-quote="Silveras" data-source="post: 2321728" data-attributes="member: 6271"><p>And that's what not making a check means. That all you did was answer without trying to impress. The check is there for when you try to be impressive. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You misunderstand the point. The point is that Diplomacy is NOT a reaction check (a 1st & 2nd Edition rule that was NOT carried into 3rd Edition).</p><p></p><p>Based on what the PC is doing in any given situation, of course the DM is free to call for a check of some kind. The problem is with the approach that asking a random NPC on the street "Is this the street where the parade will pass ?" requires a Bluff, Charisma, Diplomacy, or Intimidate check is that it is overkill. THAT is what I am saying is inappropriate. Going into a shop and buying a loaf of bread, or paying to get your axe sharpened, should not require a check, and should not generate either an enemy or "best buddy". On the other hand, walking into those same shops and trying to get the shopkeeper to give you a discount on the price of that bread or service; THAT is a case for use of the skill, and a check. See the difference ?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I also never said that there were not circumstances where the "decision" was a moot point. </p><p></p><p>Swim: If you do not need to worry about breathing (as a Construct, for example), you can choose to forego the Swim check and walk along the bottom. If, however, you need to breathe and you therefore make the effort to Swim, NOW you make a Swim check. </p><p></p><p>Balance: If you do not wish to move on the slippery surface, you (probably) do not have to make a Balance check to remain standing. </p><p></p><p>Diplomacy: If the PC wishes to just answer the Duchess' question, without asking for a favor or trying to appear impressive, NO DIPLOMACY check is required (by the RAW). If, on the other hand, the PC wishes to improve his/her situation, perhaps by impressing the Duchess or gaining a promise of backing for the next adventure, NOW a Diplomacy check is required, because the PC is trying to DO something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silveras, post: 2321728, member: 6271"] And that's what not making a check means. That all you did was answer without trying to impress. The check is there for when you try to be impressive. You misunderstand the point. The point is that Diplomacy is NOT a reaction check (a 1st & 2nd Edition rule that was NOT carried into 3rd Edition). Based on what the PC is doing in any given situation, of course the DM is free to call for a check of some kind. The problem is with the approach that asking a random NPC on the street "Is this the street where the parade will pass ?" requires a Bluff, Charisma, Diplomacy, or Intimidate check is that it is overkill. THAT is what I am saying is inappropriate. Going into a shop and buying a loaf of bread, or paying to get your axe sharpened, should not require a check, and should not generate either an enemy or "best buddy". On the other hand, walking into those same shops and trying to get the shopkeeper to give you a discount on the price of that bread or service; THAT is a case for use of the skill, and a check. See the difference ? I also never said that there were not circumstances where the "decision" was a moot point. Swim: If you do not need to worry about breathing (as a Construct, for example), you can choose to forego the Swim check and walk along the bottom. If, however, you need to breathe and you therefore make the effort to Swim, NOW you make a Swim check. Balance: If you do not wish to move on the slippery surface, you (probably) do not have to make a Balance check to remain standing. Diplomacy: If the PC wishes to just answer the Duchess' question, without asking for a favor or trying to appear impressive, NO DIPLOMACY check is required (by the RAW). If, on the other hand, the PC wishes to improve his/her situation, perhaps by impressing the Duchess or gaining a promise of backing for the next adventure, NOW a Diplomacy check is required, because the PC is trying to DO something. [/QUOTE]
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