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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IcyCool" data-source="post: 2344256" data-attributes="member: 20308">The 15th level thing was a random level that I picked out of thin air.  If it is your contention that the King will have at least one high level NPC hanging out with him, then I won't argue.  We'll go off of that assumption.Actually, I don't like having to make my important NPC's super high level.  I also don't have a problem with the counselor having a high Wisdom score.  I just don't like being required to do it.Yep.  Believe me, I know.  He started with a 16 base, +2 for Aasimar, +2 level bumps +4 cloak of charisma.Sure, if he's a 15th level NPC and advisor to the king, he's probably got a +4 or +6 item.  So that does what to the DC, bump it by 3?Right, so as I listed before he has 11 ranks + 7 Cha + 3 Circlet of Persuasion + 2 Synergy + 2 from Nymph's Kiss + 2 from (I don't have the sheet here, negotiator maybe?) + 3 from Legendary Leader (This is a PrC from Heroes of Battle that lets you add your levels in it to your Diplomacy checks, among other things)Is the above enough?  I can't really provide more until I look at the sheet.</blockquote>