Directed Bull-Rush.

[Egres]

The Directed Bull Rush maneuver,from the Shock Trooper feat in CW, states:

To use this maneuver you must make a succesful bull rush attempt as part of a charge.
For every square you push your foe back, you may also push that foe one square to the left or right.

This means that:

1)You push your foe back and then follow him on the right/left.

2)You make your Bull-Rush attempt normally,but after you have counted how many squares you had pushed back your foe,you can decide where you have pushed him back.

And then this would mean that after the bull-rush you could be far from your foe,cause you have pushed him back ,for example,20ft away back and to the right.

What's the right answer?

Thank you in advance.

 

[drunkmoogle]

Bull Rush Results: If you beat the defender’s Strength check result, you push him back 5 feet. If you wish to move with the defender, you can push him back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the defender’s check result. You can’t, however, exceed your normal movement limit.

Number one would be the answer, mate.

I just noticed that if you move your foe twice to the left/right, it counts as 15 feet of movement to you, but only 2 squares. Weird.

 

[Egres]

Anymore opinions?

 

[Philip]

The Directed Bull Rush maneuver,from the Shock Trooper feat in CW, states:

To use this maneuver you must make a succesful bull rush attempt as part of a charge.
For every square you push your foe back, you may also push that foe one square to the left or right.

What's the right answer?

Thank you in advance.

It is just like regular Bull Rush, only you may also move your opponent an additional 5 ft. to the left or right.

A regular Bull Rush does not allow you to push someone more than 5 ft. from your current position. The same goes for Directed Bull Rush, regardless if you push your opponent to the left or right in addition to pushing him backwards.

 

[Sejs]

You still have to move with your target. If he gets more than 5' away from you, you no longer qualify to bull-rush him. Directed Bull-Rush lets you move on a diagonal (back one, right one, back one, right one), not in an L shape (back four, and then shunt him four to the right).

 

[Brain]

Remember, you are charging when you do this maneuver. So you guys are saying that you can basically turn while charging while directed bull-rushing someone?

 

[Saeviomagy]

Remember, you are charging when you do this maneuver. So you guys are saying that you can basically turn while charging while directed bull-rushing someone?

No. You do not need to charge to bullrush. In fact, you can bullrush from a standing start using a standard action.

Furthermore, the bullrush text says "if you wish to move with the defender" - it doesn't say "you may move straight forward" or any other nonsense.

So - directed bullrush means that you can move an opponent one square back and one square to either side, then step into the square he just vacated, then do it again and again until you've moved the full bullrush allowance.

 

[Brain]

I didn't say you had to charge to bullrush, I said that "you are charging when you do this maneuver". By maneuver I meant Directed Bullrush, which is indeed the topic of the thread. Read the first post which has the text for Directed Bullrush.

 

[Saeviomagy]

I didn't say you had to charge to bullrush, I said that "you are charging when you do this maneuver". By maneuver I meant Directed Bullrush, which is indeed the topic of the thread. Read the first post which has the text for Directed Bullrush.

Missed the "as part of a charge" at the end of the first line.

Seems to me to be a bit stupid that all of the rest of the text infers that you can push the guy around quite a bit (ie - for each square...), but that you have to make all your movement in a straight line to do it.

I'd either say that you don't need to charge to do the maneuver, OR that you're allowed to change direction during the charge while using this maneuver.

 

[JoeBlank]

Just my opinion, but I would think that the "charge" portion of the manuever comes before you make contact with your target. If my PC charges someone to attack him with his greatsword then he charges first, and then attacks.

In this instance, you charge first and then execute a directed bull rush as your attack. Once you start bull rushing you are done charging. Besides, it would make no sense to require a straight line path with a directed bull rush, as the ability to move the foe to the side is the only advantage of the manuever.