Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand? (Off Topic)

[Wycen]

Correct. The Black Hand in DSotBH is the True Black Hand, rather than the elite Sabbat who are known simply as the Black Hand.

Actually they made it slightly more confusing because they often used the term False Hand.

Dirty Secrets had info on the ghoul families and info on Lilith, or at least myth based on the Path of Lilith.

 

[Vocenoctum]

The Soul-Eaters were, indeed, incredibly lame. They were, however, no more stupid than the Vicissitude discipline itself (IMNSHO, the TWF Ranger of the WoD). At least the soul-eaters made Vicissitude tolerable -- albeit in a strange way. Hopefully, the whole discipline is purged from WoD: Reloaded.

The Soul-Eaters weren't horrible in themselves, but it kind of wrecked over an established clan. As well, I think it'd have made more sense for the Lasombra's darkness to be sucha thing, rather than the Tzimisce.

Basically, Dirty Secrets was the ultimate ending of power escalation. Every book had to be more than the last, culminating in a book about the secret overlords that controled time and had ante's hiddin in their ghost city.

Some useful stuff, but just too uber.

 

[drnuncheon]

The Soul-Eaters weren't horrible in themselves, but it kind of wrecked over an established clan. As well, I think it'd have made more sense for the Lasombra's darkness to be sucha thing, rather than the Tzimisce.

Like I said before, it was because they were ripping of--er, 'borrowing' from--the Necroscope books. Alien infectious vampires who could change into horrible monsters and reshape people's flesh with their touch are right out of the Lumley books (as was vicissitude originally, but at least it wasn't so direct a steal.)

J

 

[Darkness]

Some useful stuff, but just too uber.

IIRC, it even had vampiric mages who got to keep their sphere magic.

 

[Darkness]

While reading another thread I encountered multiple references to the book "Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand" for V:tM.

Although a google search turned up little in the way of explanation, I confirmed the impression that this particular book is the "Synnibar" of Vampire fame; absolutely the most soul-crushingly appalling book in the line. I get the impression it is due to a combination of continuity-shattering and power-mongering.

Do another search for "Samuel Haight" in general and "Chaos Factor" particular.
Unless you already know it, of course. (It's more Mage and Werewolf than Vampire but Sam is also the worst Wod crossover twink character ever.)

I apologize if this thread should be in another forum.

Don't worry, this is the correct forum.

 

[reiella]

The book itself is not bad, considering it was a 1st ed VtM sourcebook. It gave it the True Brujah, Nagaraja and the Old Clan Tzimsice.

What seems to draw everyone's ire is that it dealt with the secret power behind the Sabbat who hide in the Shadowlands (See Wraith the Oblivion) and who supposedly have three sleeping Antedilvians under their care.
It also gave us SoulEaters, which were almost like living extensions of the Vicissitude discipline.

Its not the best book WW ever put out, but it is no where near as bad as everyone else seems to put around. I'd skip it unless you are trying to collect all the VtM books.

Not actually the secret power behind the Sabbat. Simply another power organization whose influence in the sabbat is almost entirely the 'False Hand'.

They have as much direct (and indirect) control over the Camarilla as they do the Sabbat.

]IIRC, it even had vampiric mages who got to keep their sphere magic.

Not quite, they had ghoulish mages who were sorta able to do that, and Mages who were "in service" to the Hand, almost all of which, were in Enoch (and Euthantos).

It was a nice counter-elite Vampire secret society to the Inconnu.

Also, it was a 2nd edition book (rules base off the first Hardback VtM. The more recent 'Revised' however, has written most of the content inapplicable).

 

[Vocenoctum]

Not actually the secret power behind the Sabbat. Simply another power organization whose influence in the sabbat is almost entirely the 'False Hand'.

They have as much direct (and indirect) control over the Camarilla as they do the Sabbat.

Actually, they basically said they had a lot of elders in both sects, and had a vast amount of control over either one.
Not absolute control, but more than just the False Hand.

 

[reiella]

Actually, they basically said they had a lot of elders in both sects, and had a vast amount of control over either one.
Not absolute control, but more than just the False Hand.

*nod* That's what I was trying to convey.

I guess my result made it seem like they had little control over either, instead of decent control of both.