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<blockquote data-quote="Darth Shoju" data-source="post: 3746105" data-attributes="member: 11397"><p>Are you basing your judgement of the effectiveness of Kung-fu from watching movies and anime? Isn't that like judging the merits of boxing by watching Rocky?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's a quote from Bob Wall on a recounting of Bruce Lee fighting an extra on set that was aggressively challenging his martial-arts skills:</p><p></p><p> "This kid was good. He was no punk. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart."</p><p></p><p> "I mean Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...Then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his ass into the wall and <strong>swept him, he proceeded to drop his knee into his opponent's chest,locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly</strong>."</p><p></p><p>(emphasis mine)</p><p></p><p>While some anime may not portray combat realistically, I don't think that speaks much to the effectiveness of Kung-fu.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That would be me, and I said that there are very few MMA fighters that use Kung-fu as a basis (for whatever reason -- I'm not claiming it is the ultimate martial-art or anything). However, from some of the (real) fight videos I've seen, Kung-fu practitioners do seem to be hit-and miss: some win, some lose, some lose badly (again, I hardly see this as me claiming it to be the perfect art or anything).</p><p></p><p>As for karate practitioners in MMA, I can think of two that have beaten traditional MMA fighters: <a href="http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=3500" target="_blank">Georges St. Pierre</a> (he started as a Kyokushin karate fighter) and <a href="http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=7513" target="_blank">Ryoto Machida</a>.</p><p></p><p>Again, I'd like to stress that I don't consider any martial-art superior; rather, I think they should be examined practically and used for what works. I'd also like to apologize for further derailing this thread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darth Shoju, post: 3746105, member: 11397"] Are you basing your judgement of the effectiveness of Kung-fu from watching movies and anime? Isn't that like judging the merits of boxing by watching Rocky? Here's a quote from Bob Wall on a recounting of Bruce Lee fighting an extra on set that was aggressively challenging his martial-arts skills: "This kid was good. He was no punk. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart." "I mean Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...Then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his ass into the wall and [B]swept him, he proceeded to drop his knee into his opponent's chest,locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly[/B]." (emphasis mine) While some anime may not portray combat realistically, I don't think that speaks much to the effectiveness of Kung-fu. That would be me, and I said that there are very few MMA fighters that use Kung-fu as a basis (for whatever reason -- I'm not claiming it is the ultimate martial-art or anything). However, from some of the (real) fight videos I've seen, Kung-fu practitioners do seem to be hit-and miss: some win, some lose, some lose badly (again, I hardly see this as me claiming it to be the perfect art or anything). As for karate practitioners in MMA, I can think of two that have beaten traditional MMA fighters: [url=http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=3500]Georges St. Pierre[/url] (he started as a Kyokushin karate fighter) and [url=http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=7513]Ryoto Machida[/url]. Again, I'd like to stress that I don't consider any martial-art superior; rather, I think they should be examined practically and used for what works. I'd also like to apologize for further derailing this thread. [/QUOTE]
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