Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Disdain for new fantasy
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Lurks-no-More" data-source="post: 3762665" data-attributes="member: 8226"><p>Ignoring the cloudwatching quote, except to say "it doesn't mean what you think it means; it's just a bad wording"...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Cites, please?</p><p></p><p></p><p>What combat rules? 3.* edition works with no miniatures at all; I should know, having gamed for several years wo. using them. Now, counters or miniatures do enhance and clarify the combat, I think, but they're hardly required.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How on Earth is this WotC's fault? This is purely a player-DM problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p>By the "unnecessary" changes to halflings, I take you refer to their changed appearance and society? (Because, crunch-wise, they aren't that much different from what's gone before.) A lot of people, myself included, found those changes quite welcome; Tolkien's hobbits make lousy adventurers (Bilbo, Frodo & co. being very much the exception from the norm), and it's a bother to keep figuring why all these pudgy homebodies are going out to risk life and limb as rogues. </p><p></p><p>Gnomes, I can sympathize with you (insofar as I care about them <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). IMO, Wizard would be a better favored class for gnomes, with bard or sorcerer fitting the elves nicely.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It was a bit clumsily handled, but IMO a good thing. 3.5 fixed some clear problems and generally improved the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>With the information we have at this point, it's impossible to tell with any certainty how easy or hard it is to convert material and characters from previous editions into the 4th ed. As for "having to re-purchase your books", nobody is coming to your house, burning down your gaming library, smashing your dice and forcing you, at gunpoint, to buy 4th edition. And no matter what you think, WotC has to address the new gamers as well, who are going to need all the stuff you already have, and more.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The "fervent denials" thing has been addressed elsewhere, several times by now.</p><p></p><p></p><p>To the best of my knowledge, the extent will be zero. DI is intended to enhance your game; it's not required. As for the "destruction" of <em>Dragon</em>, it's going to be available online.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I really believe you believe that. But that doesn't necessarily make your opinion correct, or well-informed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lurks-no-More, post: 3762665, member: 8226"] Ignoring the cloudwatching quote, except to say "it doesn't mean what you think it means; it's just a bad wording"... Cites, please? What combat rules? 3.* edition works with no miniatures at all; I should know, having gamed for several years wo. using them. Now, counters or miniatures do enhance and clarify the combat, I think, but they're hardly required. How on Earth is this WotC's fault? This is purely a player-DM problem. By the "unnecessary" changes to halflings, I take you refer to their changed appearance and society? (Because, crunch-wise, they aren't that much different from what's gone before.) A lot of people, myself included, found those changes quite welcome; Tolkien's hobbits make lousy adventurers (Bilbo, Frodo & co. being very much the exception from the norm), and it's a bother to keep figuring why all these pudgy homebodies are going out to risk life and limb as rogues. Gnomes, I can sympathize with you (insofar as I care about them ;) ). IMO, Wizard would be a better favored class for gnomes, with bard or sorcerer fitting the elves nicely. It was a bit clumsily handled, but IMO a good thing. 3.5 fixed some clear problems and generally improved the game. With the information we have at this point, it's impossible to tell with any certainty how easy or hard it is to convert material and characters from previous editions into the 4th ed. As for "having to re-purchase your books", nobody is coming to your house, burning down your gaming library, smashing your dice and forcing you, at gunpoint, to buy 4th edition. And no matter what you think, WotC has to address the new gamers as well, who are going to need all the stuff you already have, and more. The "fervent denials" thing has been addressed elsewhere, several times by now. To the best of my knowledge, the extent will be zero. DI is intended to enhance your game; it's not required. As for the "destruction" of [i]Dragon[/i], it's going to be available online. And I really believe you believe that. But that doesn't necessarily make your opinion correct, or well-informed. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Disdain for new fantasy
Top