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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3764610" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I can call anything I like crap, matey. You like Days Of Our Lives? Doesn't stop it being trash <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> You like Big Macs? Doesn't stop them being low-grade food that's basically bad for you. I don't criticise the enjoyment when I call it crap, I criticise the constant attempts to claim that it's not... crap... At least Days Of Our Lives fans aren't say "Wow it's deep man", yet Naruto fans sure are...</p><p></p><p>As for .//hack vs NGE, let me be clear - I've only seen the first series of .//hack - It was very shallow in that one, and full of unlikely angst. Does it improve? You tell me. Maybe it's just a slow start. Star Trek: TNG's first season was pretty awful, and Buffy's first season was one of it's weakest ones. So, if you're saying that .//hack LATER gets much much better, well, that's cool, maybe I'll give it a second chance - the first season though... oy vey...</p><p></p><p>You don't know anything about fantasy literature. Good for you. This puts me in a position of advantage over you, though - I've seen most of what you've seen, anime-wise, but you've not read the books I talk about. The ones I mention are ones that expand and improve the fantasy genre, not that mindlessly repeat existing tropes. Most JRPGs and anime fantasy is <em>all about </em> mindlessly repeating existing tropes. That's not necessarily a criticism, but it's quasi-post-modern wankery, not advancement, and it sure as hell isn't "new fantasy". Slayers is a good example of "post-modern-by-accident" self-aware fantasy entirely about extant tropes.</p><p></p><p>As for "fantasy exists only for entertainment", I disagree, it also exists to expand the mind's horizons, and to illuminate touchy situations that might otherwise be seen in completely political or historical terms without any deeper thought.</p><p></p><p>Hell, if you thought fantasy was REALLY just about entertainment, you wouldn't give two shakes of a lamb's tail about whether .//hack was good, just whether you enjoyed it personally. Which is it?</p><p></p><p><em>Clavis</em> - I dunno, maybe. I suspect what will actually happen is that, in a way, Rowling will get her wish, and people will differentiate between "Harry Potter"-type stuff and "Swords and Sorcery"-type stuff, and that there will not necessarily be a cross-over. I would be willing to bet someone finding the latest edition of D&D in 2020 (if it still exists), even though they were raised reading Harry Potter etc. will find their vision of "fantasy" dominated by D&D, not Potter. Time will tell, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3764610, member: 18"] I can call anything I like crap, matey. You like Days Of Our Lives? Doesn't stop it being trash :D You like Big Macs? Doesn't stop them being low-grade food that's basically bad for you. I don't criticise the enjoyment when I call it crap, I criticise the constant attempts to claim that it's not... crap... At least Days Of Our Lives fans aren't say "Wow it's deep man", yet Naruto fans sure are... As for .//hack vs NGE, let me be clear - I've only seen the first series of .//hack - It was very shallow in that one, and full of unlikely angst. Does it improve? You tell me. Maybe it's just a slow start. Star Trek: TNG's first season was pretty awful, and Buffy's first season was one of it's weakest ones. So, if you're saying that .//hack LATER gets much much better, well, that's cool, maybe I'll give it a second chance - the first season though... oy vey... You don't know anything about fantasy literature. Good for you. This puts me in a position of advantage over you, though - I've seen most of what you've seen, anime-wise, but you've not read the books I talk about. The ones I mention are ones that expand and improve the fantasy genre, not that mindlessly repeat existing tropes. Most JRPGs and anime fantasy is [I]all about [/I] mindlessly repeating existing tropes. That's not necessarily a criticism, but it's quasi-post-modern wankery, not advancement, and it sure as hell isn't "new fantasy". Slayers is a good example of "post-modern-by-accident" self-aware fantasy entirely about extant tropes. As for "fantasy exists only for entertainment", I disagree, it also exists to expand the mind's horizons, and to illuminate touchy situations that might otherwise be seen in completely political or historical terms without any deeper thought. Hell, if you thought fantasy was REALLY just about entertainment, you wouldn't give two shakes of a lamb's tail about whether .//hack was good, just whether you enjoyed it personally. Which is it? [I]Clavis[/I] - I dunno, maybe. I suspect what will actually happen is that, in a way, Rowling will get her wish, and people will differentiate between "Harry Potter"-type stuff and "Swords and Sorcery"-type stuff, and that there will not necessarily be a cross-over. I would be willing to bet someone finding the latest edition of D&D in 2020 (if it still exists), even though they were raised reading Harry Potter etc. will find their vision of "fantasy" dominated by D&D, not Potter. Time will tell, though. [/QUOTE]
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