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<blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 3764699" data-attributes="member: 10397">Without actually knowing the people doing the writing, you can't really say that with any accuracy.&nbsp; Now yea, certainly stories in whatever form can end up commercial commodities and become somewhat divorced from their pure value. But in the end, they can regain that value on the other end...even if thought wasnt put it to their making, if thought and enjoyment are their result, they still maintain value.&nbsp;&nbsp; Oh please. We are talking about enjoyment of creative works.&nbsp; Heroin has objective, observable, negative physical effects on the body, that are not a matter of opinion, there a matter of medical fact. When we say &quot;enjoyment&quot; in this discussion we are refering to enjoyment of a show, a book or other creative work.&nbsp;This is entirely, 100% your opinion. Many have the same view of roleplaying games, or of fantasy in general.&nbsp;You can dislike it all you want. You can even not respect it, for yourself. But you should respect the fact that for others, it has meaning even if that meaning is only enjoyment. And it is not for you, or anyone, to say that a creative work is somehow objectively &quot;bad&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; When I say &quot;elitism&quot; in this case, I am refering to the belief that it is possible to label a creative work objectively &quot;bad&quot;, for everyone, based on criteria established by another person or group of people.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Merlion, post: 3764699, member: 10397"] Without actually knowing the people doing the writing, you can't really say that with any accuracy. Now yea, certainly stories in whatever form can end up commercial commodities and become somewhat divorced from their pure value. But in the end, they can regain that value on the other end...even if thought wasnt put it to their making, if thought and enjoyment are their result, they still maintain value. Oh please. We are talking about enjoyment of creative works. Heroin has objective, observable, negative physical effects on the body, that are not a matter of opinion, there a matter of medical fact. When we say "enjoyment" in this discussion we are refering to enjoyment of a show, a book or other creative work. This is entirely, 100% your opinion. Many have the same view of roleplaying games, or of fantasy in general. You can dislike it all you want. You can even not respect it, for yourself. But you should respect the fact that for others, it has meaning even if that meaning is only enjoyment. And it is not for you, or anyone, to say that a creative work is somehow objectively "bad". When I say "elitism" in this case, I am refering to the belief that it is possible to label a creative work objectively "bad", for everyone, based on criteria established by another person or group of people. [/QUOTE]

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