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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 3765011" data-attributes="member: 10397">But when your talking about art, and entertainment, "good" is a totally relative and subjective concept.   Thats why I called you an elitist. You believe, seemingly, that enjoyment has no connection to quality, and that quality is determined by a certain set of criteria, and those criteria are determined by... You? People with degrees in Art or Literature? Who exactly?Whoever it is that you decide gets to decided what art is "good" and what art is "bad" is your "Elite." And for you to do the reverse is ok?I asserted that any creative work that thought is put into has value. You asserted that many works have no thought put into them, are basically commercial in nature and therefore valueless. I conceded the point that in some cases, artforms may become mass produced or overly commercial in their nature, and so lose much of that initial thought. This can be true for any medium.   However, first as I already mentioned, even if a work had no thought put into it at creation, if someone enjoys it, or if they are inspired to thought or feeling by it, it gains value on that end.  Next, I believe such cases are VERY rare. I think most of the people out of whose heads the creative works are coming DO put thought and feeling into them. Now the ones who market them, maybe not, but thats not the same thing.  I love stories. Many types of stories. I like most anime, but not all. I like much literature and movies, but not all. However, I understand that my opinion is no more valuable than anyone elses, so I do not subscribe to the notion that those works I dislike are somehow valueless just because I dislike them. In the end, any creative work has value because the one that made it put thought and feeling into it and/or it will be enjoyed and/or inspire at least some of those that experience it.American/Brittish has nothing to do with it. Some people simply feel that their opinions...or those of supposed "experts" are somehow more valid than those of everyone else, and so whatever they dislike becomes "crap". You havent really presented any even supposed reasons for any of the things you mention being "crap"...but thats ok, because in the end, even any criteria of judging them are themselves subjective</blockquote>

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