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<blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 3766600" data-attributes="member: 2268"><p>You know, I think those quotes above are a good indicator why you have a problem to wrap your mind around the whole matter. You seem to assume that any kind of "objective" (yeah, quotation marks, since being objective is an art even in science <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) judgement on the quality of a piece of art instantly applies to the individual taste as well.</p><p></p><p>Let me tell you one thing...it only does if you let it. And any "art critic" who hasn't understood that little tidbit of reality is on the best course to become very much ignored when he tries to stuff his concept of "good" and "bad" art down everybody's throat, judging those who like "bad" art to have "bad taste" "ignorant minds" or other choice adjectives.</p><p></p><p>You have the conscious choice of accepting any kind of objective judgement and shape your tastes to it, or refuse it and go with your own gut feelings. Nobody can really take that from you. It doesn't apply to art (as in "artificially created by humans") alone.</p><p></p><p>Some crystals, for example, are very "bad" crystals because they are impure, grew in different directions, etc. Yet, they still can (and oftentimes ARE) very pretty. That doesn't make somebody who enjoys looking at such crystals an ignorant, or somebody with bad taste in crystals.</p><p>And by the way, crystals are one of nature's biggest arts. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Same goes for food. There's an art to cooking...and a science in food. Yet liking something like fast food doesn't mean you must have bad tastes in food, or must be ignorant in the inherent qualities of food and its preparation.</p><p></p><p>Individual tastes and objective judgements of quality are not connected. People try to change that, but that only leads to a lot of snobism, elitism and aggression.</p><p></p><p>On a tangent...I'd like to point out that just as food isn't just there to "be enjoyed", so isn't art. Art has a lot of different reasons to be produced, not simply to "be enjoyed". That is one stance where, even though I usually go by it for myself too, I have to disagree on a wider scope, simply because that narrows art down to something to be consumed, which it isn't. Being enjoyed is a nice side-effect, and by now a lot of art has been developed as pure consumer art, true, but that's not the only motivation from which art springs, and it would degrade that artwork to view it only as "comsumer art".</p><p></p><p>All in my opinion, of course, make of it what you like. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Geron Raveneye, post: 3766600, member: 2268"] You know, I think those quotes above are a good indicator why you have a problem to wrap your mind around the whole matter. You seem to assume that any kind of "objective" (yeah, quotation marks, since being objective is an art even in science ;) ) judgement on the quality of a piece of art instantly applies to the individual taste as well. Let me tell you one thing...it only does if you let it. And any "art critic" who hasn't understood that little tidbit of reality is on the best course to become very much ignored when he tries to stuff his concept of "good" and "bad" art down everybody's throat, judging those who like "bad" art to have "bad taste" "ignorant minds" or other choice adjectives. You have the conscious choice of accepting any kind of objective judgement and shape your tastes to it, or refuse it and go with your own gut feelings. Nobody can really take that from you. It doesn't apply to art (as in "artificially created by humans") alone. Some crystals, for example, are very "bad" crystals because they are impure, grew in different directions, etc. Yet, they still can (and oftentimes ARE) very pretty. That doesn't make somebody who enjoys looking at such crystals an ignorant, or somebody with bad taste in crystals. And by the way, crystals are one of nature's biggest arts. :) Same goes for food. There's an art to cooking...and a science in food. Yet liking something like fast food doesn't mean you must have bad tastes in food, or must be ignorant in the inherent qualities of food and its preparation. Individual tastes and objective judgements of quality are not connected. People try to change that, but that only leads to a lot of snobism, elitism and aggression. On a tangent...I'd like to point out that just as food isn't just there to "be enjoyed", so isn't art. Art has a lot of different reasons to be produced, not simply to "be enjoyed". That is one stance where, even though I usually go by it for myself too, I have to disagree on a wider scope, simply because that narrows art down to something to be consumed, which it isn't. Being enjoyed is a nice side-effect, and by now a lot of art has been developed as pure consumer art, true, but that's not the only motivation from which art springs, and it would degrade that artwork to view it only as "comsumer art". All in my opinion, of course, make of it what you like. :) [/QUOTE]
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