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<blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 3766684" data-attributes="member: 2268">Heh, did read them, and I'll simply take them as I see them...that it is possible to judge something as (for example) &quot;good jazz&quot;, &quot;good impressionism&quot; or &quot;bad bauhaus&quot; on objective criteria, but that the overall label of &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot; can only be assigned by the individual experiencing it.To which I agree.So basically, something can be good or bad &quot;Sword &amp; Sorcery&quot; fiction according to a list of criteria on that genre, and a scale of quality of the author's craftmanship (which is easier to evaluate than the quality of the genre criteria, if I dare say so), but it's simply not possible to blanket-judge fantasy as bad literature. Which is just as well. And goes for anime, too.And that &quot;logic thing&quot; only applies if somebody who uses the same set of objective criteria as you arrives at a completely opposite judgement. Then it's time to check the criteria for usefulness in judging something in the first place.If somebody comes up to me (like a friend likes to do very often) and gives me a long list of reasons why some movie I pretty much like sucks, I simply shrug and tell him that we're simply using completely different yardsticks, that I can understand and even agree to some of his points and judgements, but that they don't apply to why I like the movie, and hence his judgement has no value for me. It's really as easy as that. Also works every time in making him puff up quite a bit before deflating. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Geron Raveneye, post: 3766684, member: 2268"] Heh, did read them, and I'll simply take them as I see them...that it is possible to judge something as (for example) "good jazz", "good impressionism" or "bad bauhaus" on objective criteria, but that the overall label of "good" or "bad" can only be assigned by the individual experiencing it. To which I agree. So basically, something can be good or bad "Sword & Sorcery" fiction according to a list of criteria on that genre, and a scale of quality of the author's craftmanship (which is easier to evaluate than the quality of the genre criteria, if I dare say so), but it's simply not possible to blanket-judge fantasy as bad literature. Which is just as well. And goes for anime, too. And that "logic thing" only applies if somebody who uses the same set of objective criteria as you arrives at a completely opposite judgement. Then it's time to check the criteria for usefulness in judging something in the first place. If somebody comes up to me (like a friend likes to do very often) and gives me a long list of reasons why some movie I pretty much like sucks, I simply shrug and tell him that we're simply using completely different yardsticks, that I can understand and even agree to some of his points and judgements, but that they don't apply to why I like the movie, and hence his judgement has no value for me. It's really as easy as that. Also works every time in making him puff up quite a bit before deflating. :lol: [/QUOTE]

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