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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3773349" data-attributes="member: 22779">I'm not sure if the definition of art as "Something which affects me" is a really useful definition though.  It works, certainly, but, it's so subjective that it becomes meaningless.  While the criteria chosen for Good vs Bad is a reflection of the time of choice, the application of those criteria are not (hopefully) too polluted by personal bias.  That's tricky though and likely impossible to remove, but, the attempt should be made.Take the recent Harry Potter book for a second.  I can, without a shadow of a doubt, say that Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows is an absolutely crap horror story.  ((Which is a good thing since it's not meant as a horror story))  I can say this with pretty decent certainty because it contains very little of the criteria required for a horror story.  Number one, it's not scary.  At that level, it's pretty easy to judge.  Where it gets trickier is when you start talking about works within their proper place and whether or not they are good or not.  Taking a look at Star Wars again.  A story, to be a good story, should have a plot that is not full of holes.  I think most people can agree with that.  Star Wars fails in this criteria though.  There are more plot holes in Star Wars than Swiss cheese.  As a very simple example, if the Force can be used to pick up an X-Wing, then why wouldn't Darth Vader catch Luke when Luke swan dives off the platform?The list of plot holes in Star Wars is pretty lengthy and well documented.  So, by the criteria of plot, Star Wars is a pretty bad story.  However, and Merlion is spot on here, you cannot write off Star Wars so easily.  In other terms, such as cinematography, special effects and sound, Star Wars is (ahem) light years ahead of its time.  Lucas and co pretty much invented the whole space battle techniques that are still used today.  The blue screen effects as well.  For this, Star Wars does stand at the head of the class.Merlion is right, I think, in saying that it is very difficult for a work to be completely crap.  To be valueless.  I'd agree with that.  Even the first Dungeons and Dragons movie had its moments (I think, somewhere, I might have blinked) and at least serves as a warning of how NOT to do a D&D movie.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  However, something doesn't have to be valueless to be bad.  Even Cheeze Doodles have some nutritional content.  I would hardly call them healthy though.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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