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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 9408543" data-attributes="member: 984">Having played both 4e and PF2e, I'll concur that PF2e has a very different feel and plays quite differently than 4e (and 5e, for that matter).  For me, characters feel much less capable especially at lower levels*, overall the abilities don't reach the same level of excitement, there are more trap options, the action economy can get more fiddly (and has in our games lead to turns where characters can't really do anything except prepare for their next turn), and so on.  While the math may be cleaned up vis-a-vis PF1e, it feels closer to that than it does to 4e (which surprised me, given how often the comparison is made).  And also not saying to stay away from PF2e -- it might just fit the bill to meet both your and your players' desires!  Just my experience to help paint the landscape.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> * And, again in my view, a chunk of the options you get in levelling up feel less like options as you need to take them just to attain the same level of capabilities/competence you have in other games.</blockquote>