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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 8713860" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>I think the biggest problem that I have when the complaints re: The Last Jedi is that a good chunk of them... completely miss the point.</p><p></p><p>Like, one of the biggest complaints is about Luke, and how Luke's arc is trashing Star Wars and Star Wars fans, which is, like... the opposite conclusion the film actually comes to. Luke sneering about "standing alone in front of an entire army with a laser sword" gets a lot of flak that I've seen, which completely ignores the part of the movie where <em>he does exactly that </em>(though with a neat twist to it), and it saves the day, and his story and legacy as a hero live on <em>in the universe</em>. Rey is 100% absolutely a OG Trilogy and Luke Skywalker fangirl, and the movie ultimately 100% vindicates her.</p><p></p><p>The point, ultimately, is that <em>Star Wars </em>is for everyone, and more importantly that anybody can be a hero. That's an awesome point, and to watch a bunch of babies whine about Luke throwing a lightsaber away so much they miss that point has always chapped my hide.</p><p></p><p>Luke's arc is, quite frankly, the best part of the movie. I think the people who insisted he should've been some big shining hero to swoop in and save everyone have forgotten the part about how this is <em>Star Wars, </em>a film franchise about father figures screwing things up and leaving the mess for their next generation to clean up. That's <em>Star Wars</em>. There's a reason that the big scary thing in the cave that frightens the hell out of Luke is <em>a mirror</em>. That's not exactly subtle storytelling. <strong><em>AND THEN HE STILL SWOOPS IN TO SAVE EVERYONE BECAUSE OF COURSE HE DOES HE'S LUKE MF-ING SKYWALKER HOW IS THIS NOT ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS?</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Sure, there are significant problems with the pacing of the film (but I mean, welcome to <em>Star Wars </em>right?), and the part where people act rashly and decide not to trust each other is infuriating (which it's supposed to be because the character's are supposed to learn their frakking lesson after experiencing loss and failure this is storytelling 101 what is wrong with you) -ahem, and the basically every part of Canto Bight is more way more important thematically and in terms of character development than it is to the plot, which isn't <em>great</em> but the theme is super frakking important anyway (also that part where Benicio Del Toro says "selling weapons to the bad guys... oh, and the good guys!" is actual moment of grey in a frakking numbered episodic Skywalker Saga movie and holy crap was it awesome). And while Rian Johnson knew better how to best utilize Finn than Abrams did, that's still not saying much. They did you dirty, Boyega. They did you dirty.</p><p></p><p>And I guess you could give or take the Reylo stuff. Me, yes please sir may I have another.</p><p></p><p>What I'm saying is <em>The Last Jedi</em> is the best Star Wars movie and all of you were horrifically wrong and <em>The Rise of Skywalker </em>was the punishment you all objectively deserved.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 8713860, member: 57112"] I think the biggest problem that I have when the complaints re: The Last Jedi is that a good chunk of them... completely miss the point. Like, one of the biggest complaints is about Luke, and how Luke's arc is trashing Star Wars and Star Wars fans, which is, like... the opposite conclusion the film actually comes to. Luke sneering about "standing alone in front of an entire army with a laser sword" gets a lot of flak that I've seen, which completely ignores the part of the movie where [I]he does exactly that [/I](though with a neat twist to it), and it saves the day, and his story and legacy as a hero live on [I]in the universe[/I]. Rey is 100% absolutely a OG Trilogy and Luke Skywalker fangirl, and the movie ultimately 100% vindicates her. The point, ultimately, is that [I]Star Wars [/I]is for everyone, and more importantly that anybody can be a hero. That's an awesome point, and to watch a bunch of babies whine about Luke throwing a lightsaber away so much they miss that point has always chapped my hide. Luke's arc is, quite frankly, the best part of the movie. I think the people who insisted he should've been some big shining hero to swoop in and save everyone have forgotten the part about how this is [I]Star Wars, [/I]a film franchise about father figures screwing things up and leaving the mess for their next generation to clean up. That's [I]Star Wars[/I]. There's a reason that the big scary thing in the cave that frightens the hell out of Luke is [I]a mirror[/I]. That's not exactly subtle storytelling. [B][I]AND THEN HE STILL SWOOPS IN TO SAVE EVERYONE BECAUSE OF COURSE HE DOES HE'S LUKE MF-ING SKYWALKER HOW IS THIS NOT ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS?[/I][/B] Sure, there are significant problems with the pacing of the film (but I mean, welcome to [I]Star Wars [/I]right?), and the part where people act rashly and decide not to trust each other is infuriating (which it's supposed to be because the character's are supposed to learn their frakking lesson after experiencing loss and failure this is storytelling 101 what is wrong with you) -ahem, and the basically every part of Canto Bight is more way more important thematically and in terms of character development than it is to the plot, which isn't [I]great[/I] but the theme is super frakking important anyway (also that part where Benicio Del Toro says "selling weapons to the bad guys... oh, and the good guys!" is actual moment of grey in a frakking numbered episodic Skywalker Saga movie and holy crap was it awesome). And while Rian Johnson knew better how to best utilize Finn than Abrams did, that's still not saying much. They did you dirty, Boyega. They did you dirty. And I guess you could give or take the Reylo stuff. Me, yes please sir may I have another. What I'm saying is [I]The Last Jedi[/I] is the best Star Wars movie and all of you were horrifically wrong and [I]The Rise of Skywalker [/I]was the punishment you all objectively deserved. IMHO [/QUOTE]
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