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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8714044">But that is also clearly part of a conversation that was going on among fans. And she was a  hero with a monsterous midochlorian count, just one that wasn't a skywalker. She is definitely depicted as being strong in the force. I have no problem with Rey being a nobody. There are lots of movies where a nobody rises up to be a somebody and those can be cool. I just felt like the movie seemed overly proud of itself for making this kind of step and like there was a conversation I was missing (which fair enough was with the franchise itself: and again there that is something that I don't really get). I just don't need a star wars movie that is a conversation with the franchise itself, or with the previous movie. WIth Last Jedi, I got a conversation with the whole franchise, with Rise of Skywalker I got a conversation with Last Jedi. I also think the whole thing of setting her up to be a Skywalker or something surprising (where its clear everyone wants to know who she is related to), and then knocking that down and saying she is a nobody, doesn't feel wholly satisfying. Again stuff ike that felt like the movie having a conversation with itself. The self awareness of the dialogue in the scene bothered me as well. but the idea of that scene with her being told she was a nobody though didn't bother me that much because I think it served a similar function to the scene where Vader says he is lukes father and we are supposed to not really know for sure until the next movie. Again the scene was entertaining. I liked both actors. I liked the action. There was emotion underneath everything. I just felt it would have been better for that emotion to be less about the meta of star wars and more about Rey and Kylo Ren I think the reason the scene with the kid bugs me is it is overly sentimental or again too meta. I don't mind the sentiment you are describing itself (I think this idea that anyone anywhere is important, or can be important is a good one). I don't like elitism in real life. But I don't feel validated because Rian Johnson has declared everyone can be special in a Star Wars movie. I can handle there being a star wars universe that is a little unfair in force distribution. I think that is really what bugs me about it. I feel like I am being patronized a little by the movies (again, I don't go to a star wars film for personal validation, I want to be moved, thrilled, and have a spectacular experience). Same thing with Luke and Kylo. There was so much ground there for real drama between those characters. I just never bought that luke would almost kill his own nephew, and I never really bought he would go into seclusion like that over the issue (this is the guy who believed Vader could be redeemed, so surely he would feel similarly with his sister's son). I was really hoping for more of an emotional meeting of those two characters. Whatever Luke thinks of what Kylo has become that is still his Nephew, there is still going to be love there. I just didn't feel like in the movie. Again a good movie. But there are a lot of things that I could quibble about. I think the other big thing for me was the joke it makes of Hux. Not only was that scene way too zany for the film (not just the franchise but also the film we are in), and kind of popped me out, but it took a really menacing character and deflated them. The films needed a menacing character like that beyond just Kylo. Hux's treatment in the third movie wasn't any better.</blockquote>

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