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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8716200" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I agree with all of that.</p><p></p><p>The prequel trilogy was good (ideas for) movies made badly.</p><p>The sequel trilogy was bad (ideas for) movies made well. </p><p></p><p>The sequels prove that solid ideas with poor execution are still vastly better than bad (or no) ideas for movies executed well.</p><p></p><p>Fundamentally I think that the prequel movies came close to being classics but were let down by failures of writing, inability to make a convincing romance that is supposed to be at the heart of this epic tragedy, and George's own incoherence about the morality of Star Wars where George's evolving take on morality in between the making of the original trilogy and making the prequels isn't fully held out and studied in a self-reflective manner to create a single coherent story. As a result, when we get to the big payoff, which is when our flawed hero's tragic flaw is supposed to create the tragedy, the moment is weak and Anakin doesn't feel like he has a strong and relatable motive. But the elements and ideas are there in the story, it's just when George starts firing his Chekov Guns his aim isn't very good.</p><p></p><p>Where as the sequels are dreck that is almost devoid of ideas. There are a few hints of intriguing ideas in TLJ but they feel almost accidental because not only does the story do nothing with them at all, they don't seem to arise out of the setting or the character. They just get thrown out there and disappear just as fast. They strike me as self-inserted meta-commentary but they are all telling and not showing. They aren't deserved and they don't payoff. And I get how some viewers latched on to them and made them bigger and more elaborate than what they are if they perhaps share similar feelings, but that is also an "out of story experience" and not internal to the film. Like for example you could say the broomstick thing at the end of TLJ means, "Anyone can be a hero.", but the movie doesn't say or even imply that. Internally to the story it just means that the kid is force sensitive, which isn't revelatory in anyway. We already knew that there were force sensitive kids scattered about the galaxy waiting for the Jedi or the Sith or whomever to come and train them in the ways of the force. If you think it means something bigger than that, that narrative came from you and not the movie.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8716200, member: 4937"] I agree with all of that. The prequel trilogy was good (ideas for) movies made badly. The sequel trilogy was bad (ideas for) movies made well. The sequels prove that solid ideas with poor execution are still vastly better than bad (or no) ideas for movies executed well. Fundamentally I think that the prequel movies came close to being classics but were let down by failures of writing, inability to make a convincing romance that is supposed to be at the heart of this epic tragedy, and George's own incoherence about the morality of Star Wars where George's evolving take on morality in between the making of the original trilogy and making the prequels isn't fully held out and studied in a self-reflective manner to create a single coherent story. As a result, when we get to the big payoff, which is when our flawed hero's tragic flaw is supposed to create the tragedy, the moment is weak and Anakin doesn't feel like he has a strong and relatable motive. But the elements and ideas are there in the story, it's just when George starts firing his Chekov Guns his aim isn't very good. Where as the sequels are dreck that is almost devoid of ideas. There are a few hints of intriguing ideas in TLJ but they feel almost accidental because not only does the story do nothing with them at all, they don't seem to arise out of the setting or the character. They just get thrown out there and disappear just as fast. They strike me as self-inserted meta-commentary but they are all telling and not showing. They aren't deserved and they don't payoff. And I get how some viewers latched on to them and made them bigger and more elaborate than what they are if they perhaps share similar feelings, but that is also an "out of story experience" and not internal to the film. Like for example you could say the broomstick thing at the end of TLJ means, "Anyone can be a hero.", but the movie doesn't say or even imply that. Internally to the story it just means that the kid is force sensitive, which isn't revelatory in anyway. We already knew that there were force sensitive kids scattered about the galaxy waiting for the Jedi or the Sith or whomever to come and train them in the ways of the force. If you think it means something bigger than that, that narrative came from you and not the movie. [/QUOTE]
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