Dispel Magic - Does a caster know it's been dispelled?

[Hypersmurf]

Also, like an idiot I made an error using Mirror Image last night in spite of a long thread on the subject here.... the bad guy cast Mirror Image, and then the player wizard blasted him with a Glitterdust. I figured "okay" and after reading the spells, said that the bad guy had glittering dust all over him, but the images didn't, thus they could discern which is which. I think instead, I should have only had that effect last until the bad guy shuffled the images, at which point all the images would then appear covered in glitterdust.

I'm going to change Glitterdust to Faerie Fire for my response, because it's more obvious, but the same applies.

Figments cannot illuminate darkness.

If someone's standing in bright sunlight with all his Mirror Images and you cast Faerie Fire, then he is limned with blue (green, violet) flames that cast light "as a candle". All his Mirror Images, by association, are limned with blue flames that do not cast light.

But in bright sunlight, there's no difference between the two.

If there is any cort of concealment due to darkness, however, there is a discernable difference. It might not be much, but if you have a lit candle, and a perfect photograph of a lit candle, you should be able to tell the difference if there are any shadows nearby.

In darkness, it's completely obvious which one is real.

I would treat Glitterdust similarly - you can only use it to tell them apart if there is concealment due to darkness (even if it's only one-quarter), although it may not be guaranteed depending on the degree of concealment.

-Hyp.

 

[melkoriii]

Re: Re: Dispel Magic - Does a caster know it's been dispelled?

I'm going to change Glitterdust to Faerie Fire for my response, because it's more obvious, but the same applies.

Figments cannot illuminate darkness.

If someone's standing in bright sunlight with all his Mirror Images and you cast Faerie Fire, then he is limned with blue (green, violet) flames that cast light "as a candle". All his Mirror Images, by association, are limned with blue flames that do not cast light.

But in bright sunlight, there's no difference between the two.

If there is any cort of concealment due to darkness, however, there is a discernable difference. It might not be much, but if you have a lit candle, and a perfect photograph of a lit candle, you should be able to tell the difference if there are any shadows nearby.

In darkness, it's completely obvious which one is real.

I would treat Glitterdust similarly - you can only use it to tell them apart if there is concealment due to darkness (even if it's only one-quarter), although it may not be guaranteed depending on the degree of concealment.

-Hyp.

Wow that is streatching it really far.

K.I.S

Mirror Images look and act just like the real one.

So your saying that if I fire ball the Mirror Images they look like there on fire but dont give off any light excelt the real one?

So how can I even see the fire if it doesnt give off light?

I dont think so.

You can subvert the spell that way.

 

[kreynolds]

I see that the NPC could not tell for sure that his spell was Dispelled BUT, if that was the only spell that he cast that could be dispelled he would defenatly assume it was because he's smart and wouldnt what to take the chance to be wrong.

Exactly. So, you do in indeed see what I'm getting at.

The Spellcraft check to know a spell being cast is See or Hear.

I realize that. I even stated that. I wasn't disputing that the NPC properly utilized the spellcraft skill to identify the dispel magic that was cast.

So since he made the check he KNOWS it was a Dispell and since he himself did not fail a save, he can assume it was cast on the OM.

What save? If I cast dispel magic on you, you don't get a save. It's just a caster level check on my part. Nothing happens on your end, except that you'd probably know if your spells on yourself suddenly collapsed.

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: Dispel Magic - Does a caster know it's been dispelled?

So your saying that if I fire ball the Mirror Images they look like there on fire but dont give off any light excelt the real one?

No. They don't look like they're on fire. Fireball doesn't set creatures on fire. The mirror images would look damage though, as the spell description states. Now, if you set the actual individual on fire with alchemist's fire, then yeah, I guess the images would burn, but the fire wouldn't give off light.

It's not really a case of taking advantage of a flaw within the rules. It's a limitation of the spell itself, not a limitation of the rules.

 

[Murrdox]

Okay... so here's a really stupid question then...

This means that if you're in the dark, and you happen to have a "Light" spell cast on your staff - then you mirror image yourself... everyone can tell which one is the real YOU because none of the images give off light.

I guess this should be lesson #1 to wizards on when NOT to cast mirror image.

Odd, but then again it does make sense. You don't get duplications of spells just for making illusions of the spells.

 

[Murrdox]

K.I.S.S.

Ummm... kay what does that stand for?

 

[kreynolds]

This means that if you're in the dark, and you happen to have a "Light" spell cast on your staff - then you mirror image yourself... everyone can tell which one is the real YOU because none of the images give off light.

I guess this should be lesson #1 to wizards on when NOT to cast mirror image.

Crap. Where was that darkvision spell...

 

[Hypersmurf]

This means that if you're in the dark, and you happen to have a "Light" spell cast on your staff - then you mirror image yourself... everyone can tell which one is the real YOU because none of the images give off light.

Or carrying a torch, lantern, sunrod, flaming staff, etc, yes.

-Hyp.

 

[kreynolds]

Ummm... kay what does that stand for?

Keep It Simple and Sweet, or something like that.

 

[kreynolds]

Or carrying a torch, lantern, sunrod, flaming staff, etc, yes.

Or you set yourself on fire, 'cause, you know, some people like to do that, or so I've heard (my first D&D character).