Divine/arcane scrolls

[durath]

Perehaps I am in error or reading to much into the item creation rules but couldn't an an arcane caster work with a divine caster when creating a scroll?

For example say you have a wizard with the scribe scroll feat and he has a cleric buddy who wants him to make a scroll. Since you can choose who is considered to be the creator of a magic item could these two characters say the cleric is considered the creator and thus the scroll would be a divine scroll? If the cleric is decided to be the creator and clerics can only create divine spells would it not follow that the scroll would be a divine item?

If not then why can creators copperate on other items?

Has this been ruled on before? I looked thorugh the F.A.Q. but didn't find this exact situation discussed.

Also, if two characters do decide to cooperate on making a magic item who pays the XP? The person with the feat? The person who is decided to be the caster?

For the rules on magic item creation, mont notably copperative efforts, please see the DMG page 178 under the "prerequisites" heading.

 

[Mr Fidgit]

couldn't an an arcane caster work with a divine caster when creating a scroll?

i don't believe so. Scribe Scroll specifies "you can create a scroll of any spell you know." an arcane caster wouldn't know any divine spell, and vice versa

Also, if two characters do decide to cooperate on making a magic item who pays the XP? The person with the feat? The person who is decided to be the caster?

IIRC, it's the one who's decided to be the caster

 

[kreynolds]

Also, if two characters do decide to cooperate on making a magic item who pays the XP? The person with the feat? The person who is decided to be the caster?

Basically, what Mr Fidgit said. The person who sets the caster level of the item.

 

[Heathen Oracle]

Durath, Merry xmas email ! Enjoy Arcane and give out those scrolls!

VShane

 

[Li Shenron]

I think that the owner of the Item Creation Feat is considered the creator, provides the Xp, and sets the caster level no higher than his own. IMHO it also includes setting the Arcane/Divine nature of a scroll.

Cooperators can only provide spells which the creator doesn't cast (in the same way that the creator may cast a missing spell from an item, he can ask/pay someone to cast it for him), and of course they can provide material components or focuses.

OTOH I think that when two or more participants have the same appropriate Item Creation Feat, the process may get more complicated and more interesting... as a DM I would think of a way to combine both casters' abilities (a Cooperative Item Creation feat?) to reward the PCs' choice of the same ICF.

I hope to read something about multiple casters item creation in the revised DMG .

 

[Li Shenron]

...and by the way, I don't think you can get help from another spellcaster to make a Spell Completion or Spell Trigger item which casts a spell you don't know. You must know the spell to make a Scroll, Wand or Staff (and maybe also a Potion) which casts it. This can be a house rule of mine, but if it's not so then you would not really need more than one PC in your party to take Scribe Scroll (if not to split the Xp cost).

 

[isoChron]

Beat me but I think it's somewhere in the books...
As far as I remember it is ruled that the spell can come from another caster but the price (XP) is paid by the creator of the item. Think about a cleric providing a spell but not knowing how to bind it to an item. This part is done by the friendly Wizard. The Wizard spends some of his experience to bind the weaves to an item.
I think it may be a problem if an evil Wizard tries to create an item with a GOOD spell from a good Cleric.

I have no books here at hand but i think it's in the DMG. Don't know, just guess ...

Bye