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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 4374704" data-attributes="member: 6239">Average, I can understand your confusion.&nbsp; The power has a history of abuse and you are concerned with power gaming.&nbsp; But you are, none the less, mistaken.&nbsp; As I have pointed out to Bagpuss and Hypersmurf clearly with several points unanswered, the ability should be a simple on your turn, engage or challenge.&nbsp;That is the point of contention, you are correct.&nbsp; I read the ability once through, you repeat over and over.&nbsp; I can understand this, but I still think it is wrong.&nbsp; Most simply, your method of starting from the beginning every time you apply any part of the power makes the choice redundant.I am clear on your interpretation: engage by the end of the turn or lose the challenge.&nbsp; No long details are required.&nbsp; If you would be so kind, please address the points I raised:&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. D&amp;D Experience issues are addressed without limiting to immediate engagement&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Negating Divine Challenge remote enemies negates the paladin's defender role&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. This isn't an abuse of the rules any more than other perfectly legal tactics&nbsp;&nbsp; 4. The choice of engage or target is mentioned twice.&nbsp; Your interpretation negates this choice&nbsp;&nbsp; 5. DMG &quot;say yes&quot; advice&nbsp;&nbsp; 6. Simplicity.&nbsp; The fact your interpretation involves so many steps should show you which is simpler.&nbsp;&nbsp; 7. Game focus on movementThis is clear point I can't understand you missing.&nbsp; If the power can only be used once a turn, why mention choosing a new target?&nbsp; Your interpretation would be very easy to write: &quot;You must engage the target (see below) after you mark him on the same turn.&quot;&nbsp; That isn't what the ability says.&nbsp; Your own extended discussion of the ability generates the confusion where mine is simple and matches the text: each round challenge another or engage.&nbsp;If that is your opinion, there's no need to respond my posts.&nbsp; Repeating your interpretation does not convince me and it's a waste of both of our time to just repeat ourselves.&nbsp; If you aren't open, this discussion is not for your benefit.&nbsp; Don't worry, I won't come to your games and force you to use my interpretation if you promise the same to me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 4374704, member: 6239"] Average, I can understand your confusion. The power has a history of abuse and you are concerned with power gaming. But you are, none the less, mistaken. As I have pointed out to Bagpuss and Hypersmurf clearly with several points unanswered, the ability should be a simple on your turn, engage or challenge. That is the point of contention, you are correct. I read the ability once through, you repeat over and over. I can understand this, but I still think it is wrong. Most simply, your method of starting from the beginning every time you apply any part of the power makes the choice redundant. I am clear on your interpretation: engage by the end of the turn or lose the challenge. No long details are required. If you would be so kind, please address the points I raised: 1. D&D Experience issues are addressed without limiting to immediate engagement 2. Negating Divine Challenge remote enemies negates the paladin's defender role 3. This isn't an abuse of the rules any more than other perfectly legal tactics 4. The choice of engage or target is mentioned twice. Your interpretation negates this choice 5. DMG "say yes" advice 6. Simplicity. The fact your interpretation involves so many steps should show you which is simpler. 7. Game focus on movement This is clear point I can't understand you missing. If the power can only be used once a turn, why mention choosing a new target? Your interpretation would be very easy to write: "You must engage the target (see below) after you mark him on the same turn." That isn't what the ability says. Your own extended discussion of the ability generates the confusion where mine is simple and matches the text: each round challenge another or engage. If that is your opinion, there's no need to respond my posts. Repeating your interpretation does not convince me and it's a waste of both of our time to just repeat ourselves. If you aren't open, this discussion is not for your benefit. Don't worry, I won't come to your games and force you to use my interpretation if you promise the same to me. :cool: [/QUOTE]

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