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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4374911" data-attributes="member: 1656">No, because there's is a consequence for failure to [engage the target or mark a new target]: you can't use Divine Challenge on your next turn.Let's say I have two opponents, one of whom I Divine Challenged last round and engaged.&nbsp; This turn, he has moved somewhere where I can neither attack him, nor end my turn adjacent to him.&nbsp; So I use Divine Challenge on the other opponent, and engage him instead (either by attacking, or ending adjacent).If Divine Challenge said &quot;You must engage the target, or you can't use Divine Challenge next turn&quot;, then even though I successfully DCed the second opponent this round, I wouldn't be able to use the ability next round, because I failed to engage the target of my original DC this round.&nbsp; Because DC says &quot;You must engage the target or challenge a new target&quot;, I've fulfilled the condition to prevent losing my use of Divine Challenge next round.What that condition doesn't alter is the description of the duration of the mark - it expires if I use the power against a new target, and it expires if I fail to engage my target.When I use Divine Challenge on the second opponent, I know that a/ the mark on the second opponent will expire if I use the power against a new target, and it will expire if I fail to engage my target.I also know that on my turn, I must engage the target I challenged (the second opponent), or I must challenge a different target (from the second opponent).&nbsp; Since I can only use Divine Challenge once per round, this round I do not have the option of challenging a different target (from the second opponent); this means that on my turn, I must engage the target I challenged (the second opponent).Consider Lay on Hands.&nbsp; I use the power, I spend a healing surge.&nbsp; Next round, I use the power again.&nbsp; When I get to the line that says &quot;spend a healing surge&quot;, I can't say &quot;I already did that&quot; - the power doesn't 'remember' that I spend a healing surge last time.&nbsp; Each time I use the power, I read from the beginning.Likewise, If I use Divine Challenge last round on an orc, and this round on a goblin, then &quot;the target&quot; refers to the orc for the first Divine Challenge, and &quot;the goblin&quot; for the second Divine Challenge.&nbsp; When I use Divine Challenge on the goblin, I can't read &quot;or challenge a different target&quot; and say &quot;Oh, the goblin is a different target&quot;... &quot;different target&quot; means &quot;different from the target of Divine Challenge&quot;, and the target of Divine Challenge is the goblin.&nbsp; He can't be different from himself!By challenging the goblin, you satisfied the &quot;or challenge a different target (from the orc)&quot; clause of the Divine Challenge you used last round.&nbsp; But the &quot;or challenge a different target (from the goblin)&quot; clause of the Divine Challenge you used this round is yet to be addressed.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4374911, member: 1656"] No, because there's is a consequence for failure to [engage the target or mark a new target]: you can't use Divine Challenge on your next turn. Let's say I have two opponents, one of whom I Divine Challenged last round and engaged. This turn, he has moved somewhere where I can neither attack him, nor end my turn adjacent to him. So I use Divine Challenge on the other opponent, and engage [i]him[/i] instead (either by attacking, or ending adjacent). If Divine Challenge said "You must engage the target, or you can't use Divine Challenge next turn", then even though I successfully DCed the second opponent this round, I wouldn't be able to use the ability [i]next[/i] round, because I failed to engage the target of my original DC this round. Because DC says "You must engage the target or challenge a new target", I've fulfilled the condition to prevent losing my use of Divine Challenge next round. What that condition [i]doesn't[/i] alter is the description of the duration of the mark - it expires if I use the power against a new target, and it expires if I fail to engage my target. When I use Divine Challenge on the second opponent, I know that a/ the mark on the second opponent will expire if I use the power against a new target, and it will expire if I fail to engage my target. I also know that on my turn, I must engage the target I challenged (the second opponent), or I must challenge a different target (from the second opponent). Since I can only use Divine Challenge once per round, this round I do not have the option of challenging a different target (from the second opponent); this means that on my turn, I must engage the target I challenged (the second opponent). Consider Lay on Hands. I use the power, I spend a healing surge. Next round, I use the power again. When I get to the line that says "spend a healing surge", I can't say "I already did that" - the power doesn't 'remember' that I spend a healing surge last time. Each time I use the power, I read from the beginning. Likewise, If I use Divine Challenge last round on an orc, and this round on a goblin, then "the target" refers to the orc for the first Divine Challenge, and "the goblin" for the second Divine Challenge. When I use Divine Challenge on the goblin, I can't read "or challenge a different target" and say "Oh, the goblin [i]is[/i] a different target"... "different target" means "different [i]from the target of Divine Challenge", and the target of Divine Challenge is the goblin. He can't be different from himself! By challenging the goblin, you satisfied the "or challenge a different target (from the orc)" clause of the Divine Challenge you used [i]last[/i] round. But the "or challenge a different target (from the goblin)" clause of the Divine Challenge you used [i]this[/i] round is yet to be addressed. -Hyp.[/i] [/QUOTE]

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