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<blockquote data-quote="kevinha" data-source="post: 4403984" data-attributes="member: 74301">This actually helps clarify my thinking around Piercing Smite and marking. If you distinguish that a mark and a divine challenge are two different things, now attacks like Enfeebling Strike and Holy Strike make much more sense, especially after throwing out a Piercing Smite in a group.&nbsp;Furthermore, with this understanding, a Divine Challenge has the nice side benefit of also marking the target. Therefore, a DC'd target is not only compelled to fight you, but is marked and suffers from additional damage or debuffs.&nbsp;The only question this leaves in my mind is how marking works between the likes of a fighter and a paladin. My first read through things leads me to believe that you cannot mark a target already marked - which makes things a tad difficult if the fighter and paladin in close proxmity and engaged on the same set of creatures.&nbsp;The line of text in Divine Challenge that causes me grief here is &quot;A new mark supersedes a mark that was already in place.&quot; It doesn't make sense to apply this logic to Divine Challenge as &quot;you can't place a divine challenge on a creature that is already affected by your or another character's divine challenge&quot; and a DC stays in place as long as your engaged. But by the same token, I can't fathom that a fighter marks a target, and then I mark a target, then the fighter, etc.&nbsp;Thoughts?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kevinha, post: 4403984, member: 74301"] This actually helps clarify my thinking around Piercing Smite and marking. If you distinguish that a mark and a divine challenge are two different things, now attacks like Enfeebling Strike and Holy Strike make much more sense, especially after throwing out a Piercing Smite in a group. Furthermore, with this understanding, a Divine Challenge has the nice side benefit of also marking the target. Therefore, a DC'd target is not only compelled to fight you, but is marked and suffers from additional damage or debuffs. The only question this leaves in my mind is how marking works between the likes of a fighter and a paladin. My first read through things leads me to believe that you cannot mark a target already marked - which makes things a tad difficult if the fighter and paladin in close proxmity and engaged on the same set of creatures. The line of text in Divine Challenge that causes me grief here is "A new mark supersedes a mark that was already in place." It doesn't make sense to apply this logic to Divine Challenge as "you can't place a divine challenge on a creature that is already affected by your or another character's divine challenge" and a DC stays in place as long as your engaged. But by the same token, I can't fathom that a fighter marks a target, and then I mark a target, then the fighter, etc. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]

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