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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oliviander" data-source="post: 4423089" data-attributes="member: 59819">My Vote for LokiI think you're quite right jeriatric, but in my opinion your'e Interpretation of the text rather leads to the same conclusion as Loki's.Because in the first part of the text there is nothing written that limits the engagement to the very turn when the DC was cast, you cannot assume that it automatically ends at the end of the turn when it was cast and the condition is not fulfilled.Because if you implicate that "failed to engage or attack" means "failed to engage or attack until the end of his turn" without the "end of its turn" actually written in the rules, you actually read it as "failed to engage or attack at any given time"I'm sure if this was really meant by the rules in this way, it would have been written completely different.IMO you only can read it as:If the paladin "fails to engage or attack" means fails to engage or attack the target with his next possible action. (and I wouldn't count a free action as I don't know a use of a free action to actually engage or attack someone).So if the Paladin uses DC at the end of his round the enemy cannot lose his mark before the beginnign of the Paladins next turn. I'm quite aware that this interpretation leads to other contradictions.And I'm sure there is no contradiciton free interpretation of that given text possible.But in Gaming terms I prefer the possibility to use DC in this way.</blockquote>