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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4451387" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>You switch targets by using your Divine Challenge class feature on a new opponent... which requires a minor action. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it couldn't.</p><p></p><p>If we omit that sentence, it changes the way the power works.</p><p></p><p>Scenario:</p><p>Round 1: I spend a minor action to challenge target A, and then shoot at him with my bow.</p><p>Round 2: I spend a minor action to challenge target B, and move and attack him.</p><p></p><p>In round 3, I can use my Divine Challenge feature.</p><p></p><p>But let's say we removed "or challenge a different target" from that sentence. In this case, in round 2, target A was the target of my divine challenge at the start of the round, but by the end of the round, I have not engaged him; I am not adjacent to him, nor have I attacked him. I am now forbidden from using my Divine Challenge feature in round 3, because I failed to engage target A before the end of my turn.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, they included "or challenge a different target" in the list of events that would prevent that misfortune befalling me, so the fact that I challenged target B - a different target - means I'm not forbidden from using Divine Challenge in round 3.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is worded as such. It says "by the end of your turn". It doesn't say "at the next available opportunity".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It says "by the end of your turn".</p><p></p><p>You choose a new target (target B). You use your Divine Challenge feature on target B. What does your Divine Challenge feature say? It says you must engage target B, or challenge a different target from target B, by the end of your turn. If you don't, the marked condition ends and you can't use Divine Challenge next round.</p><p></p><p>Have you challenged a target different from target B before the end of your turn? No - you challenged target A <em>last</em> round, not this round, so he doesn't count; and you can only use Divine Challenge once per round, so you can't challenge anyone <em>else</em> this turn. So by the end of your turn, you must challenge a different target from target B (which we've just determined you cannot do), <em>or you must engage target B</em>. If you haven't engaged target B by the end of your turn, no more Divine Challenge!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Reasonable and in character, perhaps, but not in keeping with the wording of the class feature. If he fails to engage the opponent <em>by the end of his turn</em>, the marked condition ends and he can't use DC next round.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4451387, member: 1656"] You switch targets by using your Divine Challenge class feature on a new opponent... which requires a minor action. No, it couldn't. If we omit that sentence, it changes the way the power works. Scenario: Round 1: I spend a minor action to challenge target A, and then shoot at him with my bow. Round 2: I spend a minor action to challenge target B, and move and attack him. In round 3, I can use my Divine Challenge feature. But let's say we removed "or challenge a different target" from that sentence. In this case, in round 2, target A was the target of my divine challenge at the start of the round, but by the end of the round, I have not engaged him; I am not adjacent to him, nor have I attacked him. I am now forbidden from using my Divine Challenge feature in round 3, because I failed to engage target A before the end of my turn. Fortunately, they included "or challenge a different target" in the list of events that would prevent that misfortune befalling me, so the fact that I challenged target B - a different target - means I'm not forbidden from using Divine Challenge in round 3. It is worded as such. It says "by the end of your turn". It doesn't say "at the next available opportunity". It says "by the end of your turn". You choose a new target (target B). You use your Divine Challenge feature on target B. What does your Divine Challenge feature say? It says you must engage target B, or challenge a different target from target B, by the end of your turn. If you don't, the marked condition ends and you can't use Divine Challenge next round. Have you challenged a target different from target B before the end of your turn? No - you challenged target A [i]last[/i] round, not this round, so he doesn't count; and you can only use Divine Challenge once per round, so you can't challenge anyone [i]else[/i] this turn. So by the end of your turn, you must challenge a different target from target B (which we've just determined you cannot do), [i]or you must engage target B[/i]. If you haven't engaged target B by the end of your turn, no more Divine Challenge! Reasonable and in character, perhaps, but not in keeping with the wording of the class feature. If he fails to engage the opponent [i]by the end of his turn[/i], the marked condition ends and he can't use DC next round. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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