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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tRANIS" data-source="post: 2102810" data-attributes="member: 28479">Yes Jazirian should be very tough certainly over 20, which also means that ol Ahriman is just as bad, but sleeping.I found a conversion that someone did somewhere where Jaziran and Ahriman were like 50HD (memeory escapes me). Anyway I will find that thing and post it up here. For my actually cosmology, my game uses that Guide to Hell creation story. SInce Asmodeus is Ahriman , if i remember they never mention if or who the avatar of Jaziran is? Any ideas on that as a side note?Either way you look at it. If you include these 2 greater powers in your game then they are indeed something to be reckoned with. In my game, I have made these 2 not only the great force of law but also of opposed good and evil as well. Which also means for my game that they are also where the deities get there divineness whether they know it or not!</blockquote>